The New York Times Company (NYSE: NYT) has reported a strong financial performance in the third quarter of 2024, with significant gains in digital subscriptions and advertising revenue. The company's earnings per share (EPS) increased to $0.45, driven by a 16% rise in adjusted operating profit and an expansion of the AOP margin to 16.3%. The New York Times achieved over 11 million total subscribers, adding 260,000 digital subscribers this quarter.
The company's multi-product strategy, including the all-access bundle, is expected to drive bundle subscribers to over 50% of the total by the end of 2025. Despite ongoing union work stoppages among technology employees, the company has included the estimated impacts in its Q4 guidance, projecting continued revenue growth across digital subscriptions and advertising.
Key Takeaways
- The New York Times Company's total revenue increased by approximately 7% year-on-year.
- Digital subscription revenue grew by more than 14%, with a net addition of 260,000 digital subscribers.
- The company's all-access bundle strategy is expected to significantly increase bundle subscribers.
- Digital advertising revenue increased by nearly 9%, with total advertising revenue rising by about 1%.
- Free cash flow for the first nine months was reported at $238 million, with $122 million returned to shareholders.
- The company anticipates digital-only subscription revenue growth of 14% to 17% for Q4 2024.
Company Outlook
- The New York Times is confident in its subscription strategy and aims for midterm targets related to subscriber growth and capital returns.
- For Q4, digital-only subscription revenues are projected to grow 14% to 17%, with total subscription revenues expected to rise 7% to 9%.
- Other revenues are forecasted to grow 11% to 13%, primarily driven by Wirecutter affiliate revenues.
Bearish Highlights
- The company reported a slowdown in the growth rate of net subscriber additions compared to previous periods.
- Ongoing audience headwinds from platforms reducing traffic to publishers were acknowledged.
- A work stoppage by unionized technology employees began, potentially impacting operations.
Bullish Highlights
- The New York Times App redesign launched in September is aimed at increasing user engagement.
- Management expressed optimism about maintaining digital subscription revenue growth.
- The company remains focused on long-term revenue growth and margin expansion.
Misses
- The company will stop providing supplemental disclosures for The Athletic subscribers as it is now part of their bundle offering.
- Adjusted operating costs are expected to rise 5% to 6%.
Q&A Highlights
- Management discussed new ad products and the rollout of ads in their Games app as contributors to digital advertising growth.
- The impact of AI on traffic dynamics was acknowledged, with a strategy focused on resilience.
- The company emphasized its ability to foster direct relationships with subscribers despite traffic declines from platforms.
In summary, The New York Times Company continues to experience robust growth in digital subscriptions and advertising, with a strategic focus on enhancing user engagement and expanding its product offerings. Despite facing challenges such as traffic declines from platforms and union work stoppages, the company remains committed to disciplined investment in quality journalism and lifestyle products to drive long-term revenue growth.
InvestingPro Insights
The New York Times Company's (NYSE: NYT) strong financial performance in Q3 2024 is further supported by data from InvestingPro. The company's market capitalization stands at $8.66 billion, reflecting its significant position in the media industry. NYT's revenue growth of 5.5% over the last twelve months aligns with the reported 7% year-on-year increase in total revenue for the quarter.
InvestingPro data shows that NYT's P/E ratio is 32.1, which may seem high at first glance. However, an InvestingPro Tip indicates that the company is "Trading at a low P/E ratio relative to near-term earnings growth," with a PEG ratio of 0.66. This suggests that the stock may be undervalued considering its growth prospects, which could be attractive for investors looking at the company's long-term potential.
The company's focus on digital subscriptions is paying off, as evidenced by the 14% growth in digital subscription revenue. This is complemented by NYT's strong profitability, with an operating income margin of 13.58% for the last twelve months. An InvestingPro Tip highlights that the company has "Raised its dividend for 6 consecutive years," which is consistent with the reported $122 million returned to shareholders. The current dividend yield stands at 0.99%, with a notable dividend growth of 18.18% over the last twelve months.
NYT's strategic initiatives, including the all-access bundle and app redesign, are aimed at driving subscriber growth and engagement. This is reflected in the InvestingPro Tip stating that analysts predict the company will be profitable this year. With a gross profit margin of 48.44% and an EBITDA growth of 19.59% over the last twelve months, NYT appears well-positioned to continue its growth trajectory and meet its midterm targets.
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Full transcript - New York Times (NYT) Q3 2024:
Operator: Good morning and welcome to The New York Times Company’s Third Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions]. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Anthony DiClemente, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Anthony DiClemente: Thank you, and welcome everyone to The New York Times Company’s third quarter 2024 earnings conference call. On the call today, we have Meredith (NYSE:MDP) Kopit Levien, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Will Bardeen, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that management will make forward-looking statements during the course of this call. These statements are based on current expectations and assumptions, which may change over time. Our actual results could differ materially due to a number of risks and uncertainties that are described in the company’s 2023 10-K and subsequent SEC filings. In addition, our presentation will include non-GAAP financial measures, and we have provided reconciliations to the most comparable GAAP measures in our earnings press release which is available on our website at investors.nytco.com. In addition to our earnings press release, we have also posted a slide presentation relating to our results on our website at investors.nytco.com. And finally, please note that a copy of the prepared remarks from this morning’s call will be posted to our investor website shortly after we conclude. With that, I will turn the call over to Meredith.
Meredith Kopit Levien: Thanks, Anthony and good morning, everyone. The third quarter was another strong one for the time as we made further progress towards becoming the essential subscription for every curious person seeking to understand and engage with the world. We passed 11 million total subscribers in the quarter, more than 5 million of whom now subscribe to the bundle or multiple products. Digital subscription revenue growth accelerated to more than 14% year-on-year and that combined with growth in digital advertising and other revenue propelled healthy growth in total revenue. These results reflected our strategy playing out as designed. First, our multi-product portfolio continued to attract tens of millions of people each week to read, listen, watch, learn, and play. They were drawn by a world-class news coverage of the major stories in politics, international affairs, society, entertainment, and beyond, as well as our distinctive products in games, sports, cooking, and shopping insights. Second, these people increasingly sought out the times directly and engaged deeply. Subscriber engagement, as measured by the share of subscribers visiting the Times each week, reached its highest point since 2020 and we once again grew direct relationship, even as the market continues to experience significant audience headwinds driven by shifts in the platform landscape. Third, that strong subscriber engagement is a sign of the value we're delivering and enabled us to keep growing ARPU in line with our expectations. And finally, all of this taken together means we can sustainably invest in the areas that we believe give us enduring advantage, our expert journalism and premium digital products. Those products generate more direct relationships and growing revenue across subscriptions, as well as advertising, affiliates, and licensing. With three quarters of the year behind us we are well on track for another year of higher AOP and margin expansion, as well as strong free cash flow generation. I'll turn now to some of the details from the quarter, starting with subscribers. We added 260,000 net new digital subscribers in the quarter, putting us further along the path to our next milestone, a 15 million total subscribers. The continuing popularity of our all access bundle means bundle and multi-product subscribers were on track to account for over half of our base by the end of next year. That matters because bundle and multi-product subscribers have a higher expected lifetime value than subscribers to any individual product. At the core of our offering is our news report, where our ongoing investments ensure The Times can follow the biggest stories of the day, no matter how difficult or complex. That commitment is evident in our election coverage, which includes comprehensive coverage of the candidates, voters, issues, stake, and the state of the race. Here our strategy is having a diversified portfolio that meets different needs and moments in user's lives and making them available in a single integrated product experience. To that end in September, we launched a redesign of the core New York Times App to make it easier for people to find and engage with everything we have to offer. The redesign puts much more of our unmatched news reports in front of users with panels dedicated to today's headlines, important long-running storylines like the election, arts and culture coverage, and more. We've also made our lifestyle products easier to find, so users are just a swipe away from the best of games, The Athletic, cooking, Wirecutter, and audio. Beyond the redesign, we continued to innovate across formats in the quarter, which is part of our strategy to make audio, video, and other visual formats a bigger part of The Times. We made more of our coverage listenable by an automated voice, expanded the availability of our latest news show, The Headlines, increased production of modern love, and launched a weekly podcast from Wirecutter. We also began experimenting to make audio a more direct driver of subscriptions with new paid offerings available through Spotify (NYSE:SPOT) and Apple (NASDAQ:AAPL). In video, we're experimenting with film diversions of many of our podcasts and putting our reporters on camera more often to explain the major stories of the day. NYT Games, beloved by users once again played a big role in getting millions of people to create direct daily relationships with The Times. This propelled growth in both subscriptions and advertising. We're optimistic that games will continue to be a growth engine as we keep innovating around new features, new games, and new ways to bring people to them. We've also made further progress in the quarter on The Athletic journey to become a household name amongst sports fans with strong coverage of the Olympics and great momentum at the start of the NFL and English Premier League seasons. The Athletics is already an important component of our bundle offering in more deeply engaging subscribers. We began testing it more directly as a driver of bundled subscriptions starts in Q3, which was enabled by the technical integration with The Times web domain that we completed in Q2. And we continue to be pleased with the overall economic performance and direction of The Athletics. Digital advertising revenue was up nearly 9% in the quarter in line with guidance. Ad growth reflected strong performance across all our lifestyle products as we broadened our ad offering and reached a wider set of marketers. This came even as some advertisers continue to avoid certain hard news topics. Revenue beyond subscriptions and advertising also met our expectations driven by another good quarter for Wirecutter and Licensing. Finally, we continued to be disciplined in how we grow the business, prioritizing investments in the areas that differentiate us, our world-class journalism, and premium product experiences. That discipline combined with strong execution resulted in another quarter of a peak growth and healthy free cash flow generation. I will wrap by reminding you of what we're working to do every day, make journalism and products so valuable that people will seek them out, ask for them by name, and form direct relationship and daily habits. That value takes many forms from landmark investigations to unrivaled coverage of important issues like the Middle East and the Rise of AI to expert recommendations on what to read or watch. The Times is where people go to follow their favorite NBA teams, play the daily game that their whole family loves, get holiday shopping tips or plan Thanksgiving dinner. All these complimentary sources of value address big user needs and in turn power multiple growing revenue streams. We believe our portfolio and our ability to keep adding value to it over time is what makes The Times resilient in a changing media landscape and well positioned to become a larger and more profitable company. Now let me turn it over to Will for more details.
William Bardeen: Thanks Meredith and good morning everyone. Our Q3 financial results keep us on track to deliver another year of healthy revenue growth, AOP growth, margin expansion, and free cash flow generation. Q3 also demonstrated how our portfolio of high-quality news and lifestyle products is working to drive these economics. Our growing subscriber base, along with strong subscriber engagement and increasing ARPU led to growth in our digital subscription revenues. And with growth across our multiple revenue streams, we've driven operating leverage even as we continue to prioritize strategic investments aimed at further differentiating our high-quality journalism and digital products. We grew overall revenue in the third quarter by approximately 7% as increasing digital subscription, digital advertising, affiliate, and licensing revenue more than offset ongoing declines in print. AOP grew by approximately 16% year-over-year and AOP margin expanded by approximately 130 basis points to 16.3%. We generated approximately $238 million of free cash flow in the first nine months of the year. Over that same period, we returned approximately $122 million to shareholders, consistent with our capital allocation strategy. This included approximately $60 million in share repurchases and approximately $62 million in dividends. Now, I'll discuss the third quarter's key results, followed by our financial outlook for the fourth quarter of 2024. Please note that all comparisons are to the prior year period unless otherwise specified. I'll start with the discussion of our subscription business. We added approximately 260,000 net new digital subscribers in the quarter, bringing our total number of subscribers to over $11 million, with growth coming from multiple products across our portfolio. Bundle and multi-product subscribers now make up approximately 46% of our total base, well along the path to exceeding 50% by the end of next year. Total digital-only ARPU grew 1.8% to $9.45 as we continue to step up subscribers from promotional to higher prices and raised prices on tenured non-bundled subscribers. The value we've added to our products, combined with the encouraging results we're seeing at pricing step-up points, gives us confidence that modest year-over-year ARPU expansion will continue for the remainder of the year. As a result of both higher digital subscribers and digital-only ARPU in the third quarter, digital-only subscription revenues grew approximately 14% to $322 million and total subscription revenues grew approximately 8% to $453 million. Both were in line with the guidance we provided last quarter. Now turning to advertising. Total advertising revenues for the quarter were $118 million, an increase of approximately 1%. Digital advertising revenues increased approximately 9% to $82 million. Both digital advertising and total advertising revenues were within the guidance ranges we provided last quarter. Other revenues were also within our guidance range, increasing approximately 9% to $69 million as Wirecutter affiliate revenues and licensing revenues continued to perform well in Q3. Adjusted operating costs came in within our guidance range of a 5% to 6% increase, growing by approximately 5.4%. Looking at each of the lines, cost of revenue increased approximately 7%, sales and marketing costs increased approximately 10%, product development costs increased approximately 6%, and adjusted G&A costs decreased approximately 4%. Adjusted diluted EPS in Q3 increased $0.08 to $0.45, primarily driven by higher operating profit and higher interest income. Before I turn to our Q4 guidance, I'd like to add two notes. The first note regards our subscriber disclosures. After the fourth quarter of 2024, we plan to discontinue our supplemental disclosure of subscribers who have entitlements to The Athletic. As Meredith noted in her remarks, The Athletic is now both a part of our bundle offering as well as a contributor to bundle subscription starts. The Athletic subscribers will continue to be included in our total company digital-only subscriber disclosures just as we report subscribers of our other products. The second note regards of work stoppage commenced today by union representing certain of our technology employees. We've known this was a possibility and have prepared for a range of scenarios. While the effects on our operations and results will depend on further developments, our revenue and cost guidance for Q4 incorporates our current best estimates. We have a track record of working effectively with unions and continue to aim for a fair contract. I'll now look ahead to Q4 for the consolidated New York Times Company. Digital-only subscription revenues are expected to increase 14% to 17% compared with the fourth quarter of 2023 and total subscription revenues are expected to increase 7% to 9%. Digital advertising revenues are expected to increase high single digits to low double digits, and total advertising revenues are expected to increase low single digits. Other revenues are expected to increase 11% to 13% as we expect Wirecutter affiliate revenues to continue to be a strong driver of growth and also expect some benefit from the timing of revenue recognition related to licensing revenue in Q4. Adjusted operating costs are expected to increase 5% to 6% as we are continuing to effectively manage costs while strategically investing in the areas that best position us for sustainable growth, including our world-class news journalism and lifestyle products. In summary, our results demonstrate our essential subscription strategy is working as designed and keeps us on track to achieve our previously stated midterm targets for subscribers, AOP growth and capital returns. With that, we're happy to take your questions.
Operator: Thank you. [Operator Instructions]. Today's first question comes from Benjamin Soff with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.
Benjamin Soff: Hey, good morning everyone. Thanks for taking the question. I first wanted to ask about the strength in digital advertising. It sounds like some of that growth came from bringing on new supply, so I was wondering, can you talk about where that new supply is showing up in your portfolio and how it's performing relative to your base? And maybe as part of that, can you talk about where we are with the rollout on the games with advertising? Thanks.
Meredith Kopit Levien: I'm happy to take that one, good morning. So I would say, broadly, the digital advertising number came from two places. One, I think as we put more ad products into our lifestyle products, we're just more valuable and more marketers. So we have more demand that we can tap into. And two, as you suggest, we are sort of steadily rolling out supply in each of those products. And actually, it's the case that we have new supply that's come online at one point or another this year in all four of our lifestyle products in Games specifically. You saw the rollout of more ads in the Games app, which is early but we're excited about it. And I would say more to come there and also more to come on The Athletic, which continues to grow audience and continues to grow ad opportunities. But Games and The Athletic are certainly the biggest within the lifestyle portfolio in terms of where we can go from here, biggest in terms of the opportunity, but all four products really have the opportunity.
Operator: Ben, are you all set or do you have a follow-up?
Benjamin Soff: One more if you have time. You saw a pretty nice step-up in bundle ARPU, both on a sequential basis and then the year-over-year decline moderated. Can you talk about what you're seeing with promo step-ups and how you see the path to getting back to bundle ARPU growth on a year-over-year basis? Thanks.
William Bardeen: Sure, I can take that. I mean I think the most important thing to say any time we're talking about ARPU is making sure we kind of reiterate the overall focus is on our long-term revenue growth, not ARPU per se. And specifically, what we really focus on ourselves and what you focused on is that total digital-only ARPU line and our target is driving year-over-year modest increases in that. We have a lot of levers to do that and the disclosure allows you to sort of see that strategy playing out. To your question on sort of what we're seeing, as we've been sort of saying throughout the year and looking towards the rest of the year, certainly there are multiple factors that are giving us real confidence in our ARPU trajectory. The first is the bundle and the encouraging results we continue to see as bundle subscribers are transitioning to those higher prices. So still feeling really good about what we're seeing there. And then the second, our single product subscription price increases for tenured, certain groups of tenured subscribers there. As we just keep adding value into the products, we're confident in our ability to use the lever of continually raising prices. And when you add all that up, we feel really good about the ARPU trajectory over time.
Anthony DiClemente: Great. Thanks Ben. Operator, we will take our next question.
Operator: Absolutely. Your next question comes from Thomas Yeh with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Thomas Yeh: Thanks so much. I wanted to ask about the net adds with news entitlement. I think it's been seeing a smoother cadence in recent quarters and years relative to historical volatility quarterly, just given some of the news cycle that kind of comes up and down. Can you talk about just how much a heavy news cycle still plays a role in quarterly volatility or the opportunity that you see in pulling in paid subscriptions on those moments relative to maybe just a broadening effect that you're seeing given more of the holistic bundle offering that you're providing consumers these days?
Meredith Kopit Levien: I'm happy to start. Will, you should feel free to add anything. I would say at the highest level, the model is designed to harness demand wherever that demand comes from, and I think we're just getting better and better at doing that. And I would say because we have this very kind of broad and deep and innovative news product that is always the case within news and in different moments, different quarters, different products or because of the time of year, the news cycle whatever will present differently in the quarter. But that is all the model working as it's intended to. And I would say you're asking about news and news specifically we have invested in such a way that we are prepared to cover the story wherever it goes. And to do that in an increasing array of formats and over the last year, I think we've been particularly good at format innovation in video and visual formats. You've got more on camera sort of reporters talking about their stories, which is great for engagement. You've got more visual formats on the election coverage. You've got a more sophisticated pulling operation that we had previously and more audio, more shows and more ways for people to listen to all that we have to offer at the time. And if you take that and apply that kind of wherever the story goes, I think we're just getting better and better at engagement. The last thing I'll say is we keep pointing to very strong enterprise subscriber engagement because that really matters. That's like the high-octane gas in the whole model. And as I said in my prepared remarks, we've gotten to a point in this last quarter where it was the strongest it's been since 2020.
Thomas Yeh: That's helpful. If I trailed down a bit just to the acceleration in digital subscription revenue growth reflected in your 4Q guidance, how much of that is maybe a function of just the continued buildup of cohorts coming up for pricing step-ups or are you embedding some expectation for net adds to accelerate and benefit from typically, I think, an inflection year gives you a little bit more juice in terms of the ability to bring in more subscribers?
William Bardeen: Thomas, I'll take that. As you know, we don't guide on that out specifically. I think when you're highlighting that 14% to 17% digital subscription revenue growth guide, I mean, the explanation is pretty straightforward. It's -- the strategy playing out is designed to both volume and rate. And so -- as we've been talked about through the year, we are pleased with the subscriber growth we're seeing, the engagement, passing 11 million total subscribers in the quarter as well as our approach to monetizing, which I already talked about in the previous question, continuing to be pleased with the performance at bundle promotional step-up moments as well as when we're asking people on stand-alone products to pay higher prices. So, when you're adding all that up, if the model working is designed to underpin that revenue growth that we're guiding to in Q4.
Anthony DiClemente: Great, thanks a lot Thomas. Operator, next question.
Operator: Absolutely. Your next question comes from David Karnovsky with J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead.
David Karnovsky: Hey, thank you. Meredith, you commented on these calls, including today, a lot about how prior changes of social media search impacted not only the Times, but the whole news complex in terms of website traffic. I'm interested, we're a couple of quarters in now in search results that include a healthy amount of content delivered with AI. Are you seeing any impact to traffic as a result, not just on news, but for other verticals, like for Wirecutter? And then one for Will, you mentioned the strike, I know it's just like literally started within the past hour so. But can you just clarify what you built in for your Q4 cost forecast in terms of cost or any disruptions which could impact the top line? Thanks.
Meredith Kopit Levien: Thanks, David. I'll go first. On your question about AI, I'll just say sort of stepping back, we've been talking for, I think, close to two years now about audience headwinds generally, including the fact that platforms are sending less and less traffic to publishers. This is not new and it certainly makes aspects of the business harder. I'll say we do believe that products like ChatGPT and AI overviews are playing a role in those headwinds. But having said that, our whole strategy is intended to build resilience to those dynamics by making products that are so good that people seek them out and ask for them by name and build direct relationships and daily habits with them.
William Bardeen: And I'm happy to take the follow-up on the strike. I don't think I really have anything to add here beyond my prepared remarks. While it was just announced today, we're definitely not surprised. And we've known about this as a possibility. We're prepared for a range of scenarios. And I think in terms of the guide, it represents our best estimate of what we think Q4, how it will play out. Of course, the effects on operations results will depend a bit on further developments, but the guide is contemplating what we see today.
Anthony DiClemente: Great. Thanks so much David. Operator, next question please.
Operator: Thank you. And our next question today comes from Kannan Venkateshwar with Barclays. Please go ahead.
Kannan Venkateshwar: Thank you. Maybe one on subscriber trends. I mean, typically, you guys tend to see some tailwind in Q3 sequentially versus Q2. And then, of course, this is also an election quarter. But it looks like net adds actually slowed a little bit. So could you just provide some context on the sequential trends and maybe why it slowed down a little bit? And then also the same thing for Q4, I guess, I mean well implicit in the guidance is obviously an acceleration in Q4, which you typically see in Q4. But when I look at the delta in terms of the degree of acceleration you normally see, it feels a little bit lower than usual and I'm just wondering if price increases and some degree of churn is embedded in that guidance? Thanks.
Meredith Kopit Levien: Why don't I start, Kannan and Will, you can add anything that you feel would be useful. Let me just start by saying we feel really good about the headline number of 260,000 net adds in the quarter and also to your point, the value that those subscribers are bringing to the portfolio. And I think, in general our results in the quarter and all year show that we're kind of firing on all cylinders across the portfolio. We've been very, very focused on two things, and I would say both are going well. One is getting our news product and the rest of the portfolio to drive very strong enterprise subscriber engagement that is such an important part of the model, and that's really working. And then secondly, and this is kind of a newer focus this year, we have been intently focused on getting the lifestyle products to begin to be more powerful funnels for the bundle. And we have a lot of confidence and optimism there. So I would just say we feel very good about where we are on both volume and revenue. Will, do you want to add anything?
William Bardeen: I think Kannan, I don't know what too much else to add. I mean, I think just translating that into the Q4 guide as Meredith said, we're really pleased with that guide, and it's fundamentally built on adding a lot of value into the product that we continue to see the high levels of engagement or whether it's single product subs or the bundle step-ups throughout this year, every time we've been asking people to pay more. We've been really pleased with what we see, and that's continuing to underpin what we see as attractive digital subscription revenue growth rates.
Anthony DiClemente: Great, next question please.
Operator: Thank you. And our next question today comes from Vasily Karasyov with Cannonball Research. Please go ahead.
Vasily Karasyov: Thank you. Good morning. Meredith, I wanted to follow up and ask you to elaborate on something you said in your prepared remarks, and I may misquote you here but you said something about audience headwinds and other platforms impacting your audience growth. So could you please tell us what exactly you meant there and did you feel that you needed to bring this up, is that trend getting worse for you and how you're planning on dealing with that? Thank you very much.
Meredith Kopit Levien: Thanks for the question. I'll just say it's more of a step-back point, and I think we've been making it consistently for two years or close to two years, THAT the platforms are sending less and less traffic to publishers, and I think I already answered a prior question about how AI plays a role not. I think the important takeaway is that our model is designed to build resilience to that and we feel really, really good about how we're doing that, both in terms of driving engagement from the subscribers we already have and the ability of this multiproduct portfolio to bring us new direct relationships and reasons to call to action the direct relationships we already have. You can regard us as keenly understanding the direction of travel from the platforms and also building our own ways to get people to come to us. And I think that's really working. And I'll just finish by saying we didn't mean to intend anything further than what we've been saying for probably seven quarters now maybe eight, I'll leave it there.
Anthony DiClemente: Great. Thanks Vasily. Operator, we have time for one last question. Thanks.
Operator: Absolutely. And our last question comes from Doug Arthur at Huber Research Partners. Please go ahead.
Douglas Arthur: Yeah, good morning. Actually, I've got two questions. One -- first question, there's been a fair amount of chaos and churn at the Washington Post and The LA Times. Are you seeing any benefit from that?
Meredith Kopit Levien: I'm happy to take that one, Doug. I want to say, first and most importantly we take no joy in watching any other quality independent journalism institution go through anything difficult. As you know, we are laser focused on our own strategy and our own growth trajectory. And we expect we'll continue to attract subscribers from all sorts of places for all sorts of reasons, and I'll leave it there.
Douglas Arthur: Got it, Okay. And Will, just on the cost breakdown, if you take The Athletic out and just look at the movement in cost expenses in sales and marketing, product development and G&A. There was a lot of unusual movement this quarter. I think sales and marketing was up 22% at the time, it was down a year ago. Is there anything driving these categories unusually in the quarter?
William Bardeen: I think the way to think about our costs, as we've always said, in any given quarter, things can move around a bit. I think the most important thing is just stepping back to say we're really focused over the long term on sustaining healthy revenue growth, AOP growth and margin expansion kind of in simple terms, revenues growing faster than cost. And -- we're doing that for a long-term investment approach that both closely manages costs in places like G&A, while strategically investing in the areas that best position us for sustainable growth. We've identified repeatedly, the world-class news journalism and lifestyle products. So it's that disciplined approach. We have been executing. We intend to continue and that should enable us to continue to target year-over-year AOP growth and margin expansion going forward.
Operator: Thank you. And this concludes our question-and-answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Anthony DiClemente for any closing remarks.
Anthony DiClemente: Great. That's it. Thank you all for joining us this morning, and we'll see you next quarter.
Operator: Thank you. This concludes today's conference call. We thank you all for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lines, and have a wonderful day.
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