Patterson Companies Inc . (NASDAQ:PDCO) reported its fiscal second-quarter earnings with a slight miss on earnings per share (EPS) but exceeded revenue expectations. The company's stock surged by 6.83% following the announcement, reflecting investor confidence in strategic initiatives and future guidance.
Key Takeaways
- EPS of $0.47 missed the forecast of $0.49.
- Revenue of 1.67 billion dollars surpassed the expected 1.66 billion dollars.
- Stock price increased by 6.83% to 23.38 dollars.
- Strategic acquisitions and software investments highlighted.
- Revised fiscal year 2025 earnings guidance provided.
Company Performance
Patterson Companies reported a 1.3% increase in consolidated sales year-over-year, reaching 1.67 billion dollars. Despite a drop in adjusted EPS from $0.50 in the previous year to $0.47, the company showed resilience in a challenging market. The acquisitions of Infusion Concepts and Mountain Vet Supply bolstered its position in the Animal Health segment, while investments in software platforms like Fuze and Eaglesoft aim to enhance long-term growth.
Financial Highlights
- Revenue: 1.67 billion dollars (up 1.3% YoY)
- Adjusted EPS: $0.47 (down from $0.50 in Q2 FY2024)
- GAAP gross margin: 19.6% (90 basis points decrease)
- Adjusted gross margin: 20% (60 basis points decrease)
- Consolidated adjusted operating margin: 3.6% (60 basis points decrease)
Earnings vs. Forecast
Patterson Companies reported an EPS of $0.47, missing the forecast of $0.49 by approximately 4.1%. However, the company exceeded revenue expectations, reporting 1.67 billion dollars against a forecast of 1.66 billion dollars. This revenue beat, despite the EPS miss, indicates robust sales performance amidst sector challenges.
Market Reaction
Following the earnings announcement, Patterson's stock rose by 6.83%, closing at 23.38 dollars. This movement reflects positive investor sentiment, likely driven by the company's strategic acquisitions and optimistic forward guidance. The stock's performance is notable as it moves closer to its 52-week high of 30.68 dollars, indicating strong market confidence.
Company Outlook
Patterson revised its fiscal year 2025 GAAP earnings guidance to a range of $1.83 to $1.93 and adjusted earnings guidance to $2.25 to $2.35. The company anticipates stable to slightly improved operating margins in the latter half of the year and expects to recover from the Change Healthcare (NASDAQ:CHNG) cybersecurity incident.
Executive Commentary
CEO Don Zerbe emphasized the company's strategic review, stating, "We are evaluating potential strategic alternatives to maximize shareholder value." CFO Kevin Barry added, "We expect to be flat to slightly up in the back half of the year versus last year," highlighting confidence in the company's trajectory.
Q&A
During the earnings call, analysts inquired about the impact of software investments and potential strategic alternatives. Executives reiterated their focus on software as a key growth driver, with financial impacts expected in fiscal year 2026, and assured no significant changes in manufacturer relationships.
Risks and Challenges
- Supply chain disruptions could impact product availability and cost.
- Macroeconomic pressures may affect the dental equipment market.
- Cybersecurity threats, as seen with the Change Healthcare incident, pose operational risks.
- Market saturation in core segments could limit growth.
- Competitive pressures in the veterinary and dental markets may challenge margins.
Full transcript - Patterson Companies Inc (PDCO) Q2 2025:
Conference Operator: Thank you for standing by, and welcome to The Patterson Companies Second Quarter Fiscal 2025 Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. Thank you. I'd now like to turn the call over to John Wright, Vice President of Investor Relations.
You may begin.
John Wright, Vice President of Investor Relations, Patterson Companies: Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for participating in Patterson Companies fiscal 2025 Q2 conference call. Joining me today are Patterson President and Chief Executive Officer, Don Zerbe and Patterson Chief Financial Officer, Kevin Barry. After a review of our financial results and outlook by management, we will open the call to your questions. Before we begin, let me remind you that certain comments made during this conference call are forward looking in nature and subject to certain risks and uncertainties.
These factors, which could cause actual results to materially differ from those indicated in such forward looking statements, are discussed in detail in our Form 10 ks and our other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. We encourage you to review this material. In addition, comments about the markets we serve, including growth rates and market shares, are based upon the company's internal analysis and estimates. The content of this conference call contains time sensitive information that is accurate only as of the date of the live broadcast, December 5, 2024. Patterson undertakes no obligation to revise or update any forward looking statements to reflect events or circumstances after the date of this call.
Also, a financial slide presentation can be found in the Investor Relations section of our website at pattersoncompanies.com. Please note that in this morning's conference call, we will reference our adjusted results for the Q2 of fiscal 2025. The reconciliation tables in our press release are provided to adjust various reported GAAP measures for the impact of deal amortization, integration and business restructuring expenses, an interest rate swap, an inventory prepayment write off and a gain on the sale of an investment along with any related tax effects of these items. We will also discuss free cash flow as defined in our earnings release, which is a non GAAP measure and use the term internal sales to represent net sales adjusted to exclude the impact of foreign currency, contributions from recent acquisitions and the net impact of an interest rate swap. These non GAAP measures are not intended to be a substitute for our GAAP results.
This call is being recorded and will be available for a replay starting today at 10 am Central Time for a period of 1 week. Now, I'd like to hand the call over to Don Zerbe.
Don Zerbe, President and Chief Executive Officer, Patterson Companies: Thanks, John, and welcome, everyone, to Patterson's fiscal 2025 Q2 conference call. Before we discuss our quarter, I want to acknowledge that in our press release this morning, Patterson announced that we are evaluating potential strategic alternatives to maximize shareholder value. Such alternatives may include, but are not limited to a sale, merger, strategic business combination or other transaction. We cannot assure that such evaluation will result in a transaction or that any transaction if pursued will be successfully completed. As you can understand, Patterson does not intend to disclose further developments or answer any questions unless and until it is determined that further disclosure is appropriate.
Now let's turn our focus to Patterson's 2nd quarter results. Patterson delivered mixed fixed fiscal second quarter results within a challenging end market environment. Our fiscal second quarter internal sales increased approximately 1% on a year over year basis, driven by strong performance in our Animal Health segment, including increased sales in our production animal business and value added services categories. This growth was partially offset by a continued slowdown in dental equipment spending and an ongoing impact from the change healthcare cybersecurity attack that occurred during Patterson's fiscal 2024 Q4. As we previewed on our last quarter call, to manage through the challenging macroeconomic environment, we took dedicated cost management actions during the quarter to preserve our ability to continue making strategic investments to position Patterson for sustainable long term growth.
During the quarter, we right sized our team with a focus on reducing our corporate headcount while protecting nearly all customer facing people and activities. We expect this realignment of our organization will generate annual cost savings of approximately 16,000,000 dollars While we continue to maintain cost discipline across the organization, we made strategic investments in line with our long term strategy. We announced 2 separate acquisition agreements for our Animal Health business. Infusion Concepts, a market leader in the design and supply of infusion, drainage and critical care products in the UK and Mountain Vet Supply, a regional distributor with a retail store presence serving customers throughout Colorado, Nebraska, Wyoming and Montana. These transactions strengthen Patterson's position in the companion and production animal markets respectively and expand our portfolio with high quality products, services and channel capabilities for animal health customers.
We also continue to invest in our software and value added services offerings, a very important area of long term growth opportunity. In the Q2, we invested in new features and capabilities within Fuze, Eaglesoft and Dolphin, help dental practices operate more efficiently and constrained labor market by delivering automated workflows, enhanced revenue cycle management and improved care diagnosis and patient presentation. Ultimately, for the Q2 of fiscal 2025, we delivered adjusted EPS of $0.47 Turning to our outlook. We revised our fiscal 2025 guidance to reflect adjusted expectations across our end markets for the remainder of fiscal year, in particular expected persistent pressures across the dental industry. Our revised outlook anticipates continued stable dental patient traffic, but muted equipment spending.
We remain confident in the underlying fundamentals in both the dental and animal health end markets and our ability to grow market share. Furthermore, this guidance revision does not change our ongoing focus to invest in strategic growth opportunities, strengthen our business for the long term. Looking forward, we remain focused on supporting our customers and executing against our proven strategy, which as a reminder is designed to achieve 4 core strategic objectives. 1st, drive revenue growth above the current end market growth rates. 2nd, build upon the progress we've made to enhance our margin performance.
3rd, evolve our products, channels and services to best serve the customers in our end markets. And 4th, improve efficiency and optimization. Now I'll provide more detail on the financial performance in each of our two business segments. Let's start with dental. Our fiscal 2025 Q2 results in Dental were varied across categories and reflected tighter market conditions than we had anticipated for this period.
Internal sales declined approximately 2% with positive growth in consumables more than offset by a decline in equipment and value added services sales. We delivered approximately 1% year over year growth in dental consumables, a modest rebound from a quarter ago and continue to believe we are outperforming the market and gaining share in this category. Notably, there was no material impact from deflationary pricing on certain products in our infection control product portfolio. As we previously stated, we expected the year over year impact of that phenomenon would be negligible after Q1 of fiscal 2025. Turning to dental equipment, internal sales decreased about 8% year over year.
We faced continued varied headwinds across our equipment categories. In core equipment, internal sales were essentially flat year over year. On the digital side, we saw declines in digital equipment and CADCAM categories, even though CADCAM sales picked up in the last month of our fiscal Q2. These results underscore the inherently lumpy nature of the dental equipment business and the continued overall market pressures on dental equipment spending. And finally, internal sales in our dental value added services category declined nearly 3% in the fiscal Q2 compared to the prior year period, primarily due to the ongoing impact of the Change Healthcare cybersecurity attack.
As a reminder, this incident created an inability for some customers to process claims for insurance reimbursement and has required our software and value added services teams to help customers transition to alternative claims processing solutions rather than focus on selling new products and services. As expected, the year over year impact moderated on a sequential basis, trend we expect to continue in fiscal Q3 before becoming a comparable benefit in fiscal Q4 as we lap the impact from the prior year. We continue to see software and e services as a very important area of long term growth and continue to invest in the space as I mentioned earlier. We're also focused on finding ways to deepen the value proposition we provide to our dental customers. One example is our recently announced extension of an important strategic relationship with PDS Health, formerly known as Pacific Dental Services, which allows Patterson to continue as the premier distributor for all merchandise, services, technology and core equipment across PDF PDS Health's network of more than 1,000 supported practices nationwide.
We've also expanded our portfolio of dental equipment products for customers in both the U. S. And Canada through our new distribution agreement with DCI Edge. These developments underscore our strength as an indispensable partner to large DSO networks, smaller regional group practices and independent practices. During the quarter, we attended marketing events with our manufacturing partners where we engaged a balanced group of current users and new prospects across all technology categories and discuss ways to improve their digital workflow and continue modernizing their dental practices.
We met our expectation for sales execution and order realization during the Q2. Our presence at these types of events is an extension of what we do all year long in terms of engaging with customers to help them understand how equipment and technology can enhance the productivity of their practices, reinforcing Patterson's position as the partner of choice to finance, train, support and service their equipment and technology purchases. Before we move on, I want to highlight the recent appointment of Kristin Diefler as the new President of our Dental segment. Kristin has a track record of success in achieving strong sales growth and introducing new products and brings a fresh perspective from various leadership roles and adjacent healthcare companies. We are excited to have her on board and look forward to working with her to grow and evolve our dental business.
This more challenging period for the dental business was partially offset with solid performance in Patterson's Animal Health segment, where we offer a similarly comprehensive portfolio of products and services to our customers in the companion and production animal end markets. Internal sales for the fiscal Q2 increased approximately 2% year over year, driven by mid single digit growth in our production animal business. During the Q2, we also continued to focus on driving greater efficiencies throughout our P and L to deliver improved profitability. In our companion animal business, year over year internal sales for the Q2 of fiscal 2025 declined by low single digits, but achieved sequential improvement over the prior quarter. Overall performance in the segment continues to be challenged by moderation in veterinary clinic traffic and by our continued discipline to focus on more profitable business in ways that modestly reduced our top line growth while supporting margin expansion.
We remain encouraged by the underlying market fundamentals in the companion animal market. We continue to focus our value proposition on the veterinarian, who pet owners place the most trust and caring for their pets. As mentioned earlier, we also continue to invest in strategic growth opportunities, leveraging the successful M and A playbook we have proven out across both of our Animal Health businesses. We continue to see momentum in our production animal business, which generated mid single digit internal sales growth in the Q2 of fiscal 2025. We attribute the strong performance to a combination of share gains from our multi channel approach and value add offerings across species.
Our performance was particularly strong within our largest and most established customers, which continue to grow while effectively managing through some challenging market dynamics. Our differentiated value proposition makes Patterson a uniquely attractive partner to such customers in this market. Across the Animal Health segment, our value added services category delivered strong double digit internal sales growth in the fiscal Q2. This robust performance demonstrates the strong demand for our comprehensive suite of software solutions and equipment services, as well as initiatives to drive operational efficiencies in the process areas of freight and electronic billing. Just as in our dental segment, our value added services are a key differentiator for Patterson, enabling us to support the full lifecycle of equipment for our customers.
Now, I'd like to turn the call over to Kevin Barry to provide more detail on the financial results.
Kevin Barry, Chief Financial Officer, Patterson Companies: Thank you, Don, and good morning, everyone. In my prepared remarks this morning, I will cover the financial results for our Q2 of fiscal 2025, which ended on October 26, 2024, and then conclude with a few comments on our outlook for the remainder of the fiscal year. So let's begin by covering the results for our Q2 of fiscal 2025. Consolidated reported sales for Patterson Companies in our fiscal 2025 Q2 were $1,670,000,000 an increase of 1.3% over the Q2 of 1 year ago. Internal sales, which are adjusted for the effects of currency translation, the net impact of an interest rate swap and contributions from recent acquisitions, increased to 0.6% compared to the same period last year.
GAAP gross margin for the Q2 of fiscal 2025 was 19.6%, a decrease of 90 basis points compared to the prior year period. We also provide the financial metric of adjusted gross to margin, which is a non GAAP financial measure that adjusts gross margin for the impact of the mark to market accounting related to our equivalent financing portfolio and the associated interest rate swap hedging instrument. The accounting impact of the mark to market adjustment affects our total company gross margin, but not the gross margin within our business segments. As previously mentioned, the net impact of the interest rate fluctuations between the swap and the equipment financing portfolio has a minimal impact on net income. In the Q2 of fiscal 2025, this adjusted metric also included an impairment charge related to a software asset as part of the restructuring charges in the quarter.
For the Q2 of fiscal 2025, our adjusted gross margin was 20%, a decrease of 60 basis points compared to the year ago period. The year over year decline in gross margin is primarily due to the revenue and profit shortfall in our dental segment related to the cybersecurity attack on Change Healthcare. We continue to make progress migrating dental customers to a new claims processing platform, move past the disruption that impacts the overall operations of our customers, and in some cases, their flow of business with Patterson. Our teams are working diligently to assist our customers with their practice operations, and we are focused on ensuring that these customers return to their previous ordering levels with us and to replace a high percentage of this revenue stream for Patterson. Our GAAP operating expenses as a percentage of net sales for the Q2 of fiscal 2025 were 17.3%, an increase of 20 basis points compared to the prior year period.
Our adjusted operating expenses as a percentage of net sales adjusts our operating expenses for the impact of deal amortization, business restructuring expenses and a prepaid inventory write off in the quarter. Adjusted operating expenses as a percentage of net sales for the Q2 of fiscal 2025 were 16.4% and favorable by 10 basis points compared to the Q2 of fiscal 2024. As Don mentioned, during the quarter, we executed targeted cost actions to align our expense structure more closely to the continued challenges we are experiencing in the market, while also preserving our ability to invest where appropriate for sustainable long term growth. In the Q2 of fiscal 2025, our consolidated adjusted operating margin was 3.6%, a decrease of 60 basis points compared to the Q2 of last year. The year over year decline in consolidated adjusted operating margin in the Q2 is primarily related to the sales decline in higher margin categories related to the change health care issue.
Our adjusted tax rate for the Q2 of fiscal 2025 was 24.7%, a decrease of 40 basis points compared to the prior year period. Reported net income attributable to Patterson Companies Inc. For the Q2 of fiscal 2025 was $26,800,000 or $0.30 per diluted share. This compares to reported net income in the Q2 of last year of $40,000,000 or $0.42 per diluted share. Adjusted net income attributable to Patterson Companies Inc.
In the Q2 of fiscal 2025 was $41,800,000 or $0.47 per diluted share. This compares to $47,300,000 or $0.50 per diluted share in the Q2 of fiscal 2024. The year over year decrease in reported and adjusted net income attributable to Patterson Companies Inc. In the Q2 of fiscal 2025 is related to lower sales of dental equipment and the continued negative impact of the cybersecurity attack on Change Healthcare within the value added services category of the dental segment. Now let's turn to our business segments, starting with our dental business.
In the Q2 of fiscal 2025, internal sales for our dental business decreased 2.3% compared to the Q2 of fiscal 2024. Internal sales of dental consumables in the fiscal Q2 increased 0.7% compared to 1 year ago. And as Don mentioned, dental consumables were no longer impacted by price deflation of certain infection control products. In the Q2 of fiscal 2025, internal sales of dental equipment decreased by 7.5% compared to 1 year ago, reflecting the ongoing market pressures that have continued to negatively impact equipment sales. Sales in the equipment category can vary from quarter to quarter and these dynamics apply to each of the specific product categories as well.
This quarter, the core equipment category posted positive year over year sales growth, offset by a decline in digital X-ray and CADCAM sales compared to the prior year period. Internal sales of value added services in the Q2 of of fiscal 2025 decreased 2.7% over the prior year period, primarily due to the negative impact of the cybersecurity attack on Change Healthcare in our software business. Adjusted operating margin in dental was 8.3% in the Q2 of fiscal 2025, which represents a 115 basis point decrease over the prior year period. This year over year operating margin shortfall again reflects the continued impact of the cyber attack on J. H.
Healthcare. Now let's move to our animal health segment. In the Q2 of fiscal 2025, internal sales for our animal health business increased 1.9% compared to the Q2 of fiscal 2024. Internal sales for our production animal business in the fiscal Q2 increased by mid single digits in the quarter compared to the prior year period. Our production animal team continues to execute well and outperform the market by a wide margin across all species with our multichannel approach and deep relationship with production animal customers.
Internal sales for our companion animal business in the Q2 of fiscal 2025 decreased by low single digits compared to the prior year period. Our performance was impacted by a low single digit decline in vet visits on a year over year basis as well as our focus on margin accretive business in this segment. The adjusted operating margin in our Animal Health segment was 3.9% in the fiscal 2025 Q2, an increase of 30 basis points from the prior year period. Our Animal Health team continues to track expense leverage and other process efficiencies to deliver adjusted operating margin improvement on a year over year basis. I'm confident in the Animal Health team and their ability to execute on innovative new products coming to market and continuing to adapt their business model to maintain and improve profitability.
Now let me cover cash flow and balance sheet items. During the 1st 6 months of fiscal 2025, our free cash flow improved by $41,500,000 compared to the same period 1 year ago. This was primarily due to disciplined inventory management by the business units and a decrease in CapEx spending in the 1st 6 months of fiscal 2025 compared to the year ago period as we lap the investments we made in the 1st 6 months of fiscal 2024 to increase our distribution footprint in Canada and the UK. Now turning to capital allocation. We continue to execute on our strategy to return cash to shareholders.
In the Q2 of fiscal 2025, we declared a quarterly cash dividend of $0.26 per diluted share, which was then paid at the beginning of Q3 of fiscal 2025. On a year to date basis, we have returned a total of $96,200,000 to shareholders through dividends and share repurchases. Let me conclude with our outlook for the remainder of fiscal 2025. Today, we are revising our fiscal 2025 GAAP earnings guidance range to $1.83 to $1.93 and our adjusted earnings guidance range to $2.25 to $2.35 per diluted share. This revised guidance range reflects the continued macroeconomic pressure on our business, balanced with our cost saving measures and continued disciplined spending on investments for the long term.
And now, I will turn the call back over to Don for some additional comments.
Don Zerbe, President and Chief Executive Officer, Patterson Companies: Thanks, Kevin. Despite the continued end market challenges across our business in the fiscal Q2, our team has maintained a laser focus on executing on our proven strategy, right sizing our operations and strategically investing to position Patterson for sustainable long term growth. I want to thank the entire Patterson team for their continued hard work and commitment to serving our customers. That concludes our prepared remarks. Kevin and I will be glad to take questions.
Operator, please open the line.
Conference Operator: Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. Your first question today comes from the line of Michael Cherny from Leerink Partners. Your line is open.
Michael Cherny, Analyst, Leerink Partners: Good morning and thank you for taking the question. Maybe if we can just start with the guidance. As you think about the reduction, how much of it do you think is stuff that's outside of your control, I would say both market driven as well as if there is any specific impact in terms of the change in guidance from the change outage versus areas that you can control and offset? I guess I want to see if we can understand the kind of gross reduction versus some of the OpEx driven offsets and if there are any other pieces that are pointing you in the positive direction off of what I would say is not necessarily surprising change in view given the market dynamics?
Don Zerbe, President and Chief Executive Officer, Patterson Companies: Yes. Well, maybe I'll thanks, Michael. Maybe I'll start and then I can have Kevin, maybe give a little more detail. I mean, I think I guess, the big items I point to are really, obviously, the challenging environment in a number of our segments that I would say is an element that's out of our control. I think the thing that the primary thing that we're doing to make sure that we can manage to that is the cost reductions that we put in place.
And when we look at that, we're trying to balance making sure that we can fund our strategic objectives while maintaining our financial performance. And so there's a balance there. But I think those are the 2 moving parts, one out of our control of the market and that's been a persistent headwind here in some parts of our business for several quarters as you know. But the actions we're taking are the things that I would point to that are in our control. Maybe I'll see if Kevin has any additional detail he'd like to add.
Kevin Barry, Chief Financial Officer, Patterson Companies: Right. As we approach our forecast for the back half year, like Don said, I think we've appropriately adjusted our sales outlook for the rest of the year, particularly in the dental segment. As we mentioned in our comments, our animal health business, particularly our production animal business continues to perform really well. So we have that helping us. As well as on the dental software business, we continue to see improvements as we lap over the change healthcare issue, which will fully lap here in Q4.
And then in terms of offsets to that, there are a number of initiatives that are showing really good results in our gross margin and OpEx beyond even the cost reduction action we took here in Q2. We've seen excellent efficiency out of our logistics network, reduction of waste, cost reductions there that are dropped to the bottom line. And the segment teams have also done a really good job as the markets evolve to get really sharp on their pricing to make sure that that's dropping through the bottom line as well that we saw it seem good results for that we expect here in the back half of the year. So I'd say those are the main sort of operating assumption adjustments that we built into this guide, Michael.
Michael Cherny, Analyst, Leerink Partners: Got it. That's certainly helpful. And as you think about that the path forward, and I appreciate the dynamics to retrench, how are you thinking about that next leg of operational improvements excellence? As you sit here, I'm not trying to get into 'twenty six guidance, but as you get to the end of the year, do you think the organization based on your current demand levels will be at the place you want to be to generate a steadier stream, more profitable growth environment into 2026? And what else needs to happen for that to potentially change?
Kevin Barry, Chief Financial Officer, Patterson Companies: Yes. I think that's what I'd say.
Don Zerbe, President and Chief Executive Officer, Patterson Companies: Go ahead,
Kevin Barry, Chief Financial Officer, Patterson Companies: Yes. I'd say, our model obviously benefits from top line leverage. So it's kind of make sure we're driving that. But I think again, one positive we're seeing in the business and a key part of our strategy is driving the right mix of business to get that operating margin expansion. And that's where I again, I go back to some of the new business lines that we're focused on, continuing our investment in our software portfolio that drives really strong margin enhancement as well as some of those initiatives that the Animal Health team is driving to get their business model continue to strengthen their business model.
Those are the things that we still see a fair amount of runway on coming out of this year.
Don Zerbe, President and Chief Executive Officer, Patterson Companies: Yes. And I think I'd add to that. I mean, we're looking for the macroeconomic conditions, particularly the dental business, to slowly improve and that's going to help that. And then I just would point out and I think it's important maybe to something that gets lost and sometimes in our performance, but our Animal Health segment has had margin expansion in 6 of the last 8 quarters. And so even in this environment that they're dealing with, they're continuing to execute on a number of initiatives that drive operating improvement and margin improvement.
And we expect that kind of excellent performance by the Animal Health segment to continue.
Michael Cherny, Analyst, Leerink Partners: Great. Thank you.
Conference Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Jeff Johnson from Baird. Your line is open.
Jeff Johnson, Analyst, Baird: Thank you. Good morning, guys. Maybe just another question on guidance, if I could. So Kevin, as I look at the back half guidance, it's calling for, I think, about 10% to 15 percent year over year EPS growth. Obviously, you talked about the $16,000,000 in cost takeout.
If I give you kind of half of your credit on that, still talking about kind of 5% to 10% EPS growth in the back half of this year. And I know those EPS comps get a little easier in the back half of this year versus the first half, but really the easy comps from last year in the second half are almost tied to tough comps in the second half of the year prior, if that makes sense. So it just seems to me even 5% to 10% after giving you credit on the cost savings still seems like a steep ramp. What is going to change the trajectory from the first half year where EPS has been down year over year to even that 5% to 10% growth on an adjusted basis embedded in current guidance? Thanks.
Kevin Barry, Chief Financial Officer, Patterson Companies: Yes. Again, I'd point to I think we've appropriately forecast the top line. We do see we will see a significant benefit in our Q4 compared to last year because of the change healthcare disruption. That was that that happened in March of last year. So it was highly impactful to our Q4 of fiscal 2024.
Like I said, we're making really good progress in getting that business back up to where it needs to be. And by Q4, we'll lap that. So that's a year over year improvement we'll see, Jeff. Well, the other operating and then the other thing I'd say, we'll see some significant benefit below operating income in the back half of the year. We've done some really good things on our balance sheet.
So our interest expense is going to be down year over year. We've we'll have a lower share count compared to prior year in the back half of the year. That's also going to provide some tailwinds for the EPS.
Jeff Johnson, Analyst, Baird: Okay. That's helpful. We'll look there. Don, maybe just a question for you on the strategic alternatives. And I know you said you're not going to talk about it, and that's fine.
I guess just factually, can you base us in how much overlap is there operationally between your vet and your dental business? It's been a while since we've had a capital market stake. Can you just remind us of your main distribution centers in North America? How many are shared services? Are they completely intertwined?
How much SKU overlap or SKU overlap you might have in those facilities? Just anything you can give us factually speaking on how intertwined those two businesses are? Thank you.
Don Zerbe, President and Chief Executive Officer, Patterson Companies: Yes. No, thanks, Jeff. And
Don Zerbe, President and Chief Executive Officer, Patterson Companies: not
Don Zerbe, President and Chief Executive Officer, Patterson Companies: probably would need a longer much longer presentation to maybe get through all that in specifics. I would just say it's a and trying to be responsive here, but it's really a there's really a mixed bag in terms of how much overlap there is. I mean, there's certainly we have over time done integration. We do have service centers, distribution centers that service both sides of the business. We do also have a number that are much more specific to each segment.
And so, it's a little bit of a mixed bag, I think. The devil we'd have to get into more detail probably, but I would just call it there's a lot there's a bit of each.
Jeff Johnson, Analyst, Baird: Okay. Fair enough. Thank you.
Conference Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Kevin Caliendo from UBS. Your line is open.
Kevin Caliendo, Analyst, UBS: Thank you. Thanks for taking my question. I know you can't really talk a lot about the strategic alternatives, but more of a big picture question potentially is sort of what in your mind prompted you to go to the Board or prompted the Board to do this? Is it the macro and sort of Patterson's position in the macro and sort of the operating environment? Or is it more the way that the market is valuing the company and the assets of the company currently?
Don Zerbe, President and Chief Executive Officer, Patterson Companies: Yes, Kevin. And again, I'm not I hope I don't sound like a broken record today on questions here, but we really don't want to get really too far into this topic. I mean, I kind of read this statement. I mean, I think I would just maybe say at the end of the day, I mean, there's a number of things that always enter into decisions like this. And for us, the main point is what can we do to maximize shareholder value and that's what our Board is focused on.
Kevin Caliendo, Analyst, UBS: Helpful. Thanks. And just a follow-up on dental consumables. You said, I believe you're up 1%, you said you still think you're expecting to take share. Is that imply the market is flat?
Is the market do you think the market is down? And can you maybe talk a little bit about pricing in consumables? Is that been a headwind or a tailwind or not? Any anyway.
Don Zerbe, President and Chief Executive Officer, Patterson Companies: Pricing, is that what you said?
Kevin Caliendo, Analyst, UBS: Yes, on the pricing side. I'm just wondering about the market and sort of what's happening with mix within consumables and pricing?
Don Zerbe, President and Chief Executive Officer, Patterson Companies: Yes. Well, maybe just I think we would view the market, in the consumables market as flat to potentially slightly down. And maybe, Kevin, if you I'm not sure what you want to say in terms of a breakdown there in some of the data we have.
Kevin Barry, Chief Financial Officer, Patterson Companies: Yes. From I think we'd say visits continue to be fairly stable. I think there's still less spending in the market than we were seeing coming out of the pandemic. But visits and people are still going to the dentist.
Analyst: From a
Kevin Barry, Chief Financial Officer, Patterson Companies: pricing standpoint, we've been talking for a little while about the impact of deflation on our portfolio, particularly in PPE categories. As of this quarter, that basket of goods that we track for that has essentially stabilized. And so that hasn't been a decrease on it. So I'd say that headwind is gone. And we're entering to a more sort of quote unquote normal pricing environment where we'd expect sort of normal price advances from our manufacturers here that should provide a bit of a tailwind in terms of overall
Don Zerbe, President and Chief Executive Officer, Patterson Companies: sales. Your
Conference Operator: next question comes from the line of Jon Block from Stifel.
John Wright, Vice President of Investor Relations, Patterson Companies0: Tom, maybe just a quick one. That $16,000,000 in annual cost savings that I think that was the first time you quantified it. Is that the annual run rate, call it as early as fiscal to age 25, the back part of this year? Do you get there that quickly? And then should we think about that $16,000,000 as a net number or are there some sort of some investments around the edges that get plowed back, back in that would result in a different net number?
Thanks.
Don Zerbe, President and Chief Executive Officer, Patterson Companies: Yes. Well, we did get a bit of a benefit some benefit in Q2, but the primary benefit is the back half of the year at that $16,000,000 annualized. So and as I mentioned in the opening, we kind of look at that as helping our expense structure, helping our bottom line as part of it, but also giving us additional headroom to continue to invest in some very important strategic alternatives that we think have great long term impact. So, it's a balance, but slight benefit in Q2 and then full benefit in the second half of the year.
John Wright, Vice President of Investor Relations, Patterson Companies0: Okay. Got it. Very helpful. And then just to shift gears, dental equipment you can you say sometimes it could be choppy, but it was down for the 6th straight quarter. According to our numbers, it was the weakest 2 year stack since COVID.
Can you just give us a little bit more color there? Like maybe the market shouldn't be bouncing, but rates are starting to marginally come down. Maybe you can give us more on the environment. Arguably, your October should add the DS World stub. What in your opinion can get this market going again other than are we just sort of sitting on our hands until rates come down a more material amount and or you get some, call it, incremental innovation from your manufacturing partners?
Thanks.
Don Zerbe, President and Chief Executive Officer, Patterson Companies: Yes. Well, you hit on the
Don Zerbe, President and Chief Executive Officer, Patterson Companies: 2 topics that I would really bring up here. I mean, I think the rates have come down, but I think we're going to need just a bit more rate reduction to have any kind of impact there or significant impact there. And then, yes, I mean, look, innovation is a key thing here. There is the macroeconomic challenges are not unique to us. So, they also help they also impact our manufacturing partners and therefore, some of the innovation budgets, I'm sure.
And so innovation is a key part of it, but I think the rates just have to get come down a little more. And then maybe on top of the rates, it's just a little more positive kind of momentum on the overall macroeconomic environment.
Don Zerbe, President and Chief Executive Officer, Patterson Companies: Kevin, I don't know, any additional comments there?
Kevin Barry, Chief Financial Officer, Patterson Companies: I agree with all that. I think usually, our dental folks would say that equipment sales and we're really good at innovation. So when that comes through that usually benefits us. So seeing more innovation in the market helps. And like Don said, I think practices are looking for a bit more of a kind of economic tailwind either in terms of lower interest rates to expand or more patient spending coming through their practice to make that next big investment and either expanding our facility that helps our core equipment business or upgrading their technology.
So I agree with what Don said. I think those are all the factors we're looking at.
John Wright, Vice President of Investor Relations, Patterson Companies0: Got it. Thanks, guys.
Conference Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Erin Wright from Morgan Stanley (NYSE:MS). Your line is open.
John Wright, Vice President of Investor Relations, Patterson Companies1: Great. Thanks. So as you think about some of the ongoing investments that you're making, can you describe those a little bit more than just the cost structure initiatives in light of this review of potential strategic alternatives? Does that influence how you're thinking about those efforts? It sounds like it's not, but does that distract you at all or internal teams in terms of their efforts around the ongoing business initiatives?
And I assume you can't answer this part, but presumably Patterson has gone through strategic reviews before in the past, whether it was around medical or otherwise. But maybe this one is a little bit more proactive. I guess, how is this time different than what's been contemplated in the past? Thanks.
Don Zerbe, President and Chief Executive Officer, Patterson Companies: Yes. Well, I
Don Zerbe, President and Chief Executive Officer, Patterson Companies: think the main area that we've talked about, I think that's important for us that I might highlight here is just the continued investment in our software and value added services offerings. And so, that's an important area of long term growth opportunity. When we thought about the cost actions and as I mentioned, a big part of that strategy was to not look into and impact our sales related, revenue related activities and also make sure that we can continue to fund these very important strategic initiatives. And so that's the focus on that. I think long term view for us on those things.
And so in
John Wright, Vice President of Investor Relations, Patterson Companies1: terms
Don Zerbe, President and Chief Executive Officer, Patterson Companies: of how that interplays with the strategic alternatives, again, don't really want to comment. I mean, we're running the business now with a focus on the long term vision and strategy. And I think that is the thing we're thinking about more than just how it might interplay with anything else we're going to eventually do.
John Wright, Vice President of Investor Relations, Patterson Companies1: Okay. That's fair. And then on the Animal Health side, does guidance reflect any changes in terms of buy sell relationships versus agency or access to new products? And do you think those manufacturer contract discussions are going well at the moment? And are they potentially kind of more favorable?
Are they potentially more favorable just given some of the increasingly competitive dynamics going on in the market and more innovation coming through?
Kevin Barry, Chief Financial Officer, Patterson Companies: Hey, Erin, this is Kevin. I'd say at this point, we're not anticipating any significant buy sell changes and the rest of kind of that whole mix of manufacturer, distributor discussions are built into our guidance. I'd say our team has really strong relationships. They're talking to those manufacturers all the time and both a good back and forth. I think, because those teams are executing well in the market, we're having productive conversations with the manufacturers.
John Wright, Vice President of Investor Relations, Patterson Companies1: Thank you.
Conference Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Jason Bednar from Piper Sandler. Your line is open.
Analyst: Hey, good morning. Nishu for taking the questions here. Don, you've been talking about the software investments for several quarters now, clearly putting a lot of muscle behind this effort. We could see it's a top priority for you all. When do these start to benefit your P and L?
When does the investment provide returns? Does it show it all in fiscal 2026? Just any visibility you can offer there, so we can start to give you credit for all the investments you're making?
Don Zerbe, President and Chief Executive Officer, Patterson Companies: Yes. We feel like we have good momentum here, Jason. So I think, I would say, definitely, you'll see some impact in fiscal 'twenty six and don't want to get too far into puts and takes yet. I think that we'll obviously have a better vision of that as we get into the Q3 call and then of course when we do our Q4 guidance. But we would see ourselves as making really good progress here.
And just the numbers and how they impact the financial statements, I think, will start to really show up here as we move forward into the next fiscal year.
Analyst: Okay. All right. That's helpful. Kevin, on Dental operating margins, if we look at where we're at today and make some pretty basic assumptions about where you'll finish in fiscal 2025 versus where the business was just recently in 2023. Dental revenue hasn't changed that much, let's just call it flat.
Adjusted operating income for dental is looking like it's going to be down 10% or more this year versus fiscal 2023. So just can you help us understand what's happened for your business that's led to such a deterioration in profitability when revenue hasn't really changed the last 2 years? And especially when it sounds like from your comments earlier, you've already been taking actions along the way to reduce waste and improve efficiencies?
Kevin Barry, Chief Financial Officer, Patterson Companies: Yes. I'd point to 2 things, Jason, and then we brought both of them up. I think the 2 big impacts that we've had to navigate through here. 1 is this change health care dynamic I keep bringing up and I feel a little bit like I keep I repeat myself too much on it, but it really the nature of that business is very profitable and has a disproportionate impact on our operating margin performance. And so when that incident happened and since we've been sort of building it back up, that really has weighed on the op margin performance of the business.
And then it also, I think, highlights how why we're investing the way we are in software. And over the past year or so, year and a half, we the investments we're making in that software business really show up in the dental business. That's where the franchise is. And so we have increased OpEx spending and capital spending in dental to support that business. And as Don said, that as we get into fiscal, you know, 'twenty six and beyond, we will have lapped a change healthcare incident and get that part of our e services portfolio back on track.
And we'll start seeing the benefit of those OpEx investments we've been making in dental, in the software business.
Analyst: Okay, helpful. Thank you.
Conference Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Elizabeth Anderson from Evercore ISI. Your line is open.
John Wright, Vice President of Investor Relations, Patterson Companies2: Good morning, guys. This is Sameer Patel on for Elizabeth Anderson. I just wanted to ask about maybe just keep on the topic of margins here. Are you I realize that there's a little bit of a revenue or top line shortfall, particularly on the medical. But are you still thinking that the cost actions you're taking, you can keep margins flat year over year on a corporate basis?
Don Zerbe, President and Chief Executive Officer, Patterson Companies: Kevin, do you want to take that?
Kevin Barry, Chief Financial Officer, Patterson Companies: Yes. So you said medical. Did you mean one of our other segments?
John Wright, Vice President of Investor Relations, Patterson Companies2: Private dental, right.
Kevin Barry, Chief Financial Officer, Patterson Companies: Dental, okay. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think as we contemplate those actions, I think the like I said in earlier remarks, it really does help us blunt the impact of a softer market. And from an op margin standpoint, we do expect to be flat to slightly up in the back half of the year versus last year. And again, it's driven by the impact of those cost actions plus the mix benefit in our software business.
John Wright, Vice President of Investor Relations, Patterson Companies2: Got it. And then, you know, I think you've talked before about, you know, reprioritizing your customer base within companion animals. Is that expectation still that, you know, that impact starts to moderate in 3Q and 4Q? Or is there any change in how you're thinking about that timeline?
Kevin Barry, Chief Financial Officer, Patterson Companies: Yes, it should start moderating here in the back half. That team has done a good job of actually bringing on some new customers that we're really happy to have. And also some new products are going to come into their portfolio here in the back half that will also help their growth trajectory here going forward.
Don Zerbe, President and Chief Executive Officer, Patterson Companies: Great. Thanks.
Conference Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Alan Lutz from Bank of America. Your line is open.
John Wright, Vice President of Investor Relations, Patterson Companies3: Good morning and thanks for taking the questions. One for Kevin. It sounds like the market for dental consumables is flat to slightly down. I think you and your peers expected that by the back half of twenty twenty four that things would improve here. And I think that it's really no surprise that the numbers are coming down.
As we think about dental consumable expectations for the second half of the year, what's currently implied in the guide? And then is there anything to call out for the market exiting October that was different from August September? Thanks.
Kevin Barry, Chief Financial Officer, Patterson Companies: I'd say in terms of the guide, I think we saw here in Q2, we're kind of expecting a low single digit consumables environment. Again, we've got some specific initiatives that are going to help us continue to what we expect to out execute the market by a bit. So not necessarily a significant change from what we saw in Q2 for the rest of the year. And then and I wouldn't say, I don't want to get into kind of month by month performance. I think it can get a little choppy depending on certain things.
So I'd say just overall in the as we thought about our guide for the year, we certainly took into account kind of what do we see in the end markets here in all of Q2. And that's the environment that we're projecting for the rest of the year, not a significant uptick from that.
John Wright, Vice President of Investor Relations, Patterson Companies3: Okay. That's helpful. And then going back to the change cybersecurity incident, as we think about the second half of the year here, is there any way to quantify or provide a little bit more granularity on the percentage of customers that are now fully back up and running, submitting claims where you're getting a fee where maybe a quarter or 2 ago you weren't? Just trying to get a sense of where we are in that transition and where you are in terms of getting those fees that maybe you weren't getting a quarter ago? Thanks.
Kevin Barry, Chief Financial Officer, Patterson Companies: Yes. I'd say, we're in terms of the software business, we're essentially kind of on what we expected from a budgeting standpoint when we set out the year. I think in terms of quantification, what I tell you is I believe when we announced our Q4 results last year, the net drag from Change Healthcare was $0.06 So as we get into Q4 of this year, that's sort of the favorable comp we have as that business kind of comes back in. And like I said, that team continues to do well at kind of getting those customers back on to our new claims provider and get that business back as well as I should point this out to you, they've done a good job of bringing on some really good new e services providers that are also performing well that are also helping overall software franchise going forward here.
John Wright, Vice President of Investor Relations, Patterson Companies3: Great. Thank you.
Conference Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Steven Valiquette from Mizuho (NYSE:MFG) Securities. Your line is open.
John Wright, Vice President of Investor Relations, Patterson Companies4: Great. Thanks. Good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. I guess first just with the major dental manufacturer that announced their intention to not renew that distribution contract with you.
Just curious if there's any updates on that. But really, my bigger question is with that same manufacturing partner, they did have a major new digital equipment product launch in the middle of your fiscal Q2. It seems like it wasn't really big enough to move the needle that much in the results. But the question is, is that new product launch in your mind big enough to change the cadence of your equipment outlook for the remainder of your fiscal 2025? Or in other words, would your outlook for digital equipment be even worse without this new product launch?
Thanks.
Don Zerbe, President and Chief Executive Officer, Patterson Companies: Well, maybe I'll take the second one first. I think, no, look, it's definitely helping our results, we participated in DS World during the quarter and I think felt like we had a successful program there. And so, it's helpful. Certainly, we continue to battle just the overall softness in the equipment market macroeconomic conditions. So maybe a little bit yet to be seen as we emerge from that, how that how the new technology fares.
In terms of our contract, look, we're continuing to work with Dentsply Sirona. We're at DS World. We value them as a supplier. They're one of many deep supplier relationships we have. And our main focus as we talk through this with them is I think we all have the same goal, which is to drive mutual success in the end here with our contract.
And so don't wouldn't want to get into the specifics of how that may play out. But I think we both have the same objectives in mind. So ultimately, I think this can be a win win. It's just maybe more a matter of working through the process.
John Wright, Vice President of Investor Relations, Patterson Companies4: Got it. Okay. All right. Thank you.
Conference Operator: Your final question comes from the line of Brandon Vazquez from William Blair. Your line is open.
Don Zerbe, President and Chief Executive Officer, Patterson Companies: Hi, everyone. Good morning. Thanks for taking the question. I have 2. I'll just ask upfront.
The first is just on macro. A conversation that I've had a lot with investors recently is just, it's been years now that both animal health and dental have kind of been in these weekend markets. I know we've been digesting maybe some pull forward through COVID, things like that. But I'd just be curious, you know, because the question is coming up more and more. Is there any sense you guys have a good feel of the market that there's any structural damage to this market?
Is it simply as easy as we're waiting for consumers to come back? Or is there something else going on under there and underlying that's making this a little bit tougher of a rebound for frankly for both spaces? And then the follow-up question unrelated, but just to check the box with more questions around tariffs, do you guys have any exposure to the key countries being discussed right now, Canada, China or Mexico in terms of manufacturing? Thanks, guys.
Don Zerbe, President and Chief Executive Officer, Patterson Companies: Yes. Maybe I'll let Kevin take the second question first here. And I can comment on the first point.
Kevin Barry, Chief Financial Officer, Patterson Companies: Yes. I just say on tariffs, our supply chain team, as you can imagine, is all over. We have relatively small direct imports, but obviously our manufacturing partners and some other suppliers import from around the world. So we've got a team that's working really closely with them to make sure that we've got the right plan in place, when and if a new tariff regime is implemented here.
Don Zerbe, President and Chief Executive Officer, Patterson Companies: Yes. And on your first question, I guess, from my perspective, I don't view that there's anything fundamental that has changed in our markets. I think the COVID disruption obviously was unprecedented and to some extent still flows a little bit through. I think it's but I believe it's really just a matter of consumer sentiment and the economic conditions improving and maybe just with a dose of, as I mentioned before, additional making sure that we have the right level of additional innovation on the equipment side in the dental business.
Conference Operator: And that concludes our question and answer session. I will now turn the call back over to Don Zerbe for some final closing remarks.
Don Zerbe, President and Chief Executive Officer, Patterson Companies: All right. Thank you all for your time today and interest in Patterson Companies. We'll sign off.
Conference Operator: This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.
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