Nordson (NASDAQ:NDSN) Corporation reported its third-quarter fiscal 2024 earnings, surpassing analyst expectations with an adjusted earnings per share (EPS) of $2.78 against a forecast of $2.59. Despite this performance, the company's stock saw a decline in after-hours trading, reflecting investor concerns over future growth prospects.
Key Takeaways
- Nordson's adjusted EPS of $2.78 exceeded forecasts by $0.19.
- Revenue reached $744 million, slightly above expectations.
- After-hours trading saw Nordson's stock price drop by 4.63%.
- The company completed its acquisition of Atrion Medical (TASE:PMCN), expanding its market reach.
- Forward guidance indicates flat to modest revenue growth for the full year.
Company Performance
Nordson's financial performance in the third quarter showed resilience, with a 2% year-over-year increase in sales, reaching $662 million. The company's diversified portfolio across industrial, medical, and electronics markets continued to support steady growth. While the industrial markets remained stable, the electronics sector showed initial signs of recovery, contributing positively to the overall performance.
Financial Highlights
- Revenue: $744 million, up from forecasts.
- Earnings per share: $2.78, exceeding the $2.59 forecast.
- Gross profit margin: 56% of sales.
- EBITDA: $208 million, representing 31.5% of sales.
- Free cash flow: $143 million, accounting for 122% of net income.
Earnings vs. Forecast
Nordson exceeded expectations with an EPS of $2.78, beating the forecasted $2.59 by approximately 7.3%. This positive surprise indicates a stronger-than-anticipated operational performance, continuing a trend of surpassing market expectations in recent quarters.
Market Reaction
Despite the earnings beat, Nordson's stock price fell by 4.63% in premarket trading, dropping to $238 from a previous close of $249.55. This decline reflects investor caution, as the stock remains within its 52-week range of $222.18 to $279.38, suggesting market concerns about future growth potential.
Company Outlook
Looking ahead, Nordson provided guidance for flat to 2% revenue growth over fiscal 2023. The company expects its Atrion acquisition to contribute $30 million in sales for the fourth quarter. Additionally, the ATS segment is anticipated to return to growth in 2025, with plans for continued investment in product innovation and geographic expansion.
Executive Commentary
CEO Sundaram Nagarajam emphasized the company's commitment to balanced growth, stating, "Our commitment to organic growth and having a balanced acquisition-led growth remains the same." CFO Dan Hopgood highlighted the focus on sustainable growth, mentioning, "Squeezing margins is not the best use of our time."
Q&A
During the earnings call, analysts inquired about the integration of Atrion and its impact on margins. Management addressed the current softness in the medical market and reiterated long-term growth drivers. Questions also focused on geographic performance and backlog normalization, providing insights into future strategies.
Risks and Challenges
- Market volatility: Fluctuations in industrial and electronics markets could impact revenue.
- Integration risks: Successfully integrating Atrion poses potential operational challenges.
- Economic conditions: Macroeconomic pressures may affect customer spending and demand.
- Supply chain disruptions: Ongoing global supply chain issues could impact production and delivery.
- Competitive pressures: Increased competition in key markets may challenge Nordson's market share.
Full transcript - Nordson Corporation (NDSN) Q3 2024:
Moderator: Thank you. I'd now like to turn the call over to Laura Mahoney.
Please begin.
Laura Mahoney, Vice President of Investor Relations and Corporate Communications, Nordson Corporation: Thank you. Good morning. This is Laura Mahoney, Vice President of Investor Relations and Corporate Communications. I'm here with Sundaram Nagarajam, our President and CEO and Dan Hopgood, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. We welcome you to our conference call today, Thursday, August 22, to report Nordson's fiscal 2024 Q3 results.
You can find both our press release as well as our webcast slide presentation that we will refer to during today's call on our website at www.nordson.com/investors. This conference call is being broadcast live on our investor website and will be available there for 30 days. There will be a telephone replay of the conference call available until Thursday, August 29, 2024. During this conference call, we will make references to non GAAP financial metrics. We've provided a reconciliation of these metrics to the most comparable GAAP metric in the press release issued yesterday.
Before we begin, please refer to Slide 2 of our presentation, where we note that certain statements regarding our future performance that are made during this call may be forward looking based upon Nordson's current expectations. These statements may involve a number of risks, uncertainties and other factors as discussed in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission that could cause actual results to materially differ. Moving to today's agenda on Slide 3, Naga will discuss Q3 highlights as well as yesterday's close of our Atrium Medical acquisition. He will then turn the call over to Dan to review sales and earnings performance for the total company and the 3 business segments. Jan will also discuss the balance sheet and cash flow.
Naga then will share a high level commentary about our end markets and provide an update on the fiscal 2024 full year guidance. We will then be happy to take your questions. With that, I'll turn the call over to Naga.
Sundaram Nagarajam, President and CEO, Nordson Corporation: Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining Nordson's fiscal 2024 Q3 conference call. Before I begin, I'm pleased with the closure of the Atrean Medical acquisition as we announced in a press release issued yesterday morning. I would like to welcome our new colleagues from Atrient into the Nordson family. Atrient's products will expand our current portfolio in medical fluid components and interventional solutions by adding a category leader in infusion fluid delivery and niche cardiovascular therapy products.
Atrean expands Nordsen's fluid components addressable market by more than 50% by adding products and solutions for infusion therapies and drug delivery. This also extends our current offering to top medical device customers and broadens Nordson's exposure to higher growth medical end markets with significant single use consumables with recurring revenue streams. Going forward, Atrient will be part of our Medical and Fluid Solutions segment. Now let's shift to our 3rd quarter earnings results on Slide 5. At the outset, I would like to recognize the dedicated Nordson team who have leveraged the NBS NEX growth framework to deliver strong operating results.
Sales of $662,000,000 were in line with our expectations, driven by IPS segment, which delivered strong organic growth of 4% in addition to increased sales from our ARAG acquisition. This growth was partially offset by continued softness in electronics compared to prior year as well as lower demand impacting our medical businesses. In addition, our focus on top customers and differentiated products improved consolidated product mix. This strategic focus and a commitment to managing costs led to improvements in gross margins and top quartile EBITDA margin of over 31%. In the quarter, we delivered adjusted earnings per share of $2.41 which is up $0.08 from the midpoint of our guidance.
Finally, I'd like to highlight our 3rd quarter free cash flow of $143,000,000 which was 122 percent of net income. We continue to generate strong cash flow and execute a balanced capital deployment strategy with $39,000,000 in dividends paid, dollars 25,000,000 in share repurchases and $40,000,000 in debt reduction during the quarter. I'll speak more about the enterprise performance in few moments. But first, I'll turn the call over to Dan to provide a detailed perspective on our financial results for the quarter.
Dan Hopgood, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Nordson Corporation: Thank you, Naga, and good morning to everyone. On Slide number 6, you'll see Q3 fiscal 2024 sales were $662,000,000 up 2% from prior year 3rd quarter sales of $649,000,000 and in line with the midpoint of our quarterly guidance. This was driven by a 4% increase from the Air Ag acquisition, partially offset by an overall organic sales decrease of 1% and unfavorable currency translation of 1%. As Naga mentioned, we saw growth in our IPS segment organic sales during the quarter, in particular our packaging and nonwovens divisions, which were offset by softness in certain electronics and medical product lines. Gross profit during the quarter remained strong at 56% of sales.
Deploying our NBS next growth framework, we're focusing on top products, driving a favorable product mix, while also continuing to improve our manufacturing efficiency. EBITDA adjusted for special items in both periods totaled $208,000,000 for the quarter or 31.5 percent of sales, slightly below the prior year by about 50 basis points, which was driven by higher selling and administrative costs, including the 1st year impact of the Air Ag acquisition. Looking at non operating expenses, net interest expense increased approximately $6,000,000 associated with higher debt levels tied to the ARAG acquisition. Other income on a net basis decreased by $2,000,000 primarily reflecting certain foreign exchange transactional variations compared to the prior year. Tax expense for the quarter was $32,000,000 or an effective rate of about 21.5%, which is in line with the prior year rate and our guidance range for 2024.
Net income in the quarter totaled $117,000,000 or $2.04 per share. Excluding $8,000,000 of non recurring costs related to the Atrion acquisition and selected restructuring charges, as well as $19,000,000 in amortization of acquisition related intangibles, adjusted earnings per share for the quarter totaled $2.41 $0.08 above the midpoint of our quarterly guidance, but a 6% decrease from the prior year adjusted earnings per share of $2.55 The decrease in year over year earnings reflects the slightly lower operating margins and increased interest expense I just walked through. Now let's turn to slide 7 through 9 to review the Q3 2024 segment performance. Industrial Precision Solutions sales of $371,000,000 increased 10% compared to the prior year Q3. The Air Ag Acquisition contributed 7% sales growth, while organic sales were up 4% year over year, partially offset by unfavorable currency translation of 1%.
Organic sales improved across most of our product lines with particular strength in packaging and nonwovens. It's important to note that these results continue to build upon record fiscal 2023 revenue for the IPS segment, which has now delivered organic growth in 13 of the last 15 quarters. EBITDA for the segment was $135,000,000 in the 3rd quarter or 36 percent of sales, an increase of 10% compared to the prior year EBITDA of $122,000,000 dollars The increase in EBITDA was driven by the ARAG acquisition and strong contribution from our organic sales growth. It's also worth highlighting that this quarter marks 14 out of 15 consecutive quarters of EBITDA growth for the IPS segment. Turning to slide 8, you'll see medical and fluid solutions sales of $167,000,000 decreased 2% compared to the prior year's Q3, driven by lower demand in our medical interventional solutions and fluid components product lines.
While the biopharma portion of our fluid components product lines has stabilized, other product applications for patient care and surgical applications are adjusting to more conservative customer order entry patterns. This is despite solid underlying demand for patient procedures. These decreases were also partially offset by improved sales in our fluid solutions product lines versus last year. EBITDA for medical and fluid solutions was $62,000,000 for the quarter or 37% of sales, which was a 9% reduction to the prior year EBITDA of $68,000,000 The decrease was driven by lower volume and unfavorable product mix during the quarter. In spite of these recent growth headwinds, the segment has now delivered EBITDA margins greater than 35% in 14 of the last 15 quarters.
Turning to Slide 9, you'll see advanced Technology Solutions sales were $124,000,000 an 11% decrease compared to the prior year Q3. The decrease includes 10% organic volume decline as well as unfavorable currency translation of 1%. The decrease in sales was driven by electronics processing and x-ray and test product lines, offset by growth in our optical sensors businesses. While we expected weakness year over year, segment sales increased over 8% sequentially versus Q2, and we continue to see modest improvement in order intake as the semiconductor and electronic applications we serve continue to show signs of improvement. 3rd quarter EBITDA was $26,000,000 or 21 percent of sales, below prior year Q3 EBITDA of $33,000,000 which excluded special items of $2,000,000 related to cost reduction actions in the prior year.
While the reduction in EBITDA was tied to the overall decrease in volume, favorable mix and cost reduction actions contributed to achieving a 41% decremental on the lower year over year sales. This is well ahead of our decremental target of approximately 55%. Finally, turning to the balance sheet and cash flow on Slide 10. At the end of the Q3, we had cash on hand of $165,000,000 and net debt was $1,300,000,000 resulting in a leverage ratio of about 1.6 times based on trailing 12 months EBITDA. Pro form a for the Atrion acquisition that we just announced, net debt will rise to about $2,200,000,000 and our leverage ratio will increase to approximately 2.5 times in the near term, which remains within our targeted range.
We funded the Atrion acquisition with a $500,000,000 term loan, cash on hand and borrowings on our revolver. We plan to refinance the term loan in the public bond markets and will continue to use cash from operations to repay our revolver borrowings over time. After the acquisition, we still have greater than 50% availability on our revolver and greater than $600,000,000 of liquidity available to the company, including cash on hand. Our free cash flow generation continues to be a strength at $143,000,000 during the quarter or 122 percent conversion rate on net income. As we continue to strategically deploy this strong cash flow, as Naga mentioned earlier, we reduced debt by $40,000,000 in the quarter, paid $39,000,000 in dividends and repurchased $25,000,000 in shares, all while continuing to fund capital and product development investments for growth.
Notably, last week, we announced our 61st year of increasing our annual dividends, building upon our legacy of growing capital returns as we grow the company. All in all, we had a solid quarter and we're well positioned to close out the year. With that, let's turn to Slide 11, and I'll turn the call back to Naga.
Sundaram Nagarajam, President and CEO, Nordson Corporation: Thanks, Dan. I also want to congratulate the Nordson team for delivering strong operating performance under a challenging demand environment in select businesses. Let's spend a few minutes talking about our end markets as we move into the Q4 of fiscal 2024. Starting with our Industrial Position Solutions segment, we continue to see steadiness in industrial and consumer non durable end markets with nonwoven starting to pick up in the 3rd quarter. After 2 years of record growth, our full year guidance implies IPS excluding ARAG is about flat to modestly up versus prior year.
Air Ag sales appear to be normalizing at lower levels at this point in the agriculture cycle. In general, we feel confident about the diversification of this segment, its mix of recurring revenue and customer intimate business model. Within our Medical and Fluid Solutions segment, medical device customer supply chain teams are being far more cautious with their inventory purchases after a very unique few years. While we are starting to see lower demand in the interventional solutions and certain fluid component product lines outside of biopharma, we are confident in the long term growth drivers in this end market, including aging of the population, rising chronic health conditions, trends toward noninvasive surgical techniques and increased healthcare spending and procedure volumes. We have a robust pipeline of longer term customer project activity and we are comfortable with the future outlook of this business.
Near term, we expect softness in certain medical product lines, particularly in light of challenging year over year comparisons for medical Interventional Solutions product lines. Staying close to our customers, we are working our way through what has been a one of a kind demand environment over the past few years. The ATS segment will benefit from increasing demand for advanced shifts in support of AI, automotive electronics, onshoring, CHIPS Act as well as the broader electronics CapEx spending cycle. We are beginning to experience a sequential and year over year increase in order entry in the test and inspection applications. For example, we're pleased with the momentum in our optical, cyber optics and acoustic test and inspection product lines.
Our X-ray product lines, which experienced double digit growth in fiscal 2023, continue to deal with challenging comparisons in the Q4. Electronics dispensed product line applications are largely in the back end of manufacturing of advanced semiconductor chips. Demand for these products occur later in the cycle. Given the sequential improvement in revenues and order entry, we expect the ATS segment to return to growth in 2025. Turning now to our outlook on Slide 12.
We enter the Q4 with approximately $650,000,000 in backlog. This backlog remains concentrated in our systems businesses, while customer order entry patterns have returned to historical norms in the rest of the businesses. Based on current visibility and order entry trends, we are holding our previously issued full year base business revenue guidance in the range of flat up to 2% over record fiscal 2023. The addition of Atrient will then increase our base sales by approximately $30,000,000 in the fiscal Q4. Full year fiscal 2024 adjusted earnings per diluted share are expected to be in the range of $9.45 to $9.65 per diluted share for fiscal 2024.
This is unchanged at the midpoint despite the inclusion of the slightly dilutive impact of Atrient in the 4th quarter. This full year guidance assumes a neutral impact from foreign exchange rates. Investors should keep in mind that we anniversary the acquisitive growth impact of ARAG in the fiscal Q4. Even as we face challenging demand conditions in certain end markets, Nordson's core strengths remain a diversified portfolio close to the customer business model, high level of recurring revenue, NBS Next (LON:NXT) growth framework and a commitment to innovation. These core strengths enable Nordson to deliver high quality operating performance under varying economic conditions.
We're looking forward to sharing an update on our long term growth plans, including our capital deployment strategy at our upcoming Investor Day in New York on October 3. We hope to see you there and we encourage you to use the QR code in the webcast presentation to register. As always, I want to thank our customers, shareholders and the Nordson team for your continued support. With that, we will pause and take your questions.
Moderator: Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. Your first question comes from the line of Saree Boroditsky from Jefferies. Your line is open.
Saree Boroditsky, Analyst, Jefferies: Hi, good morning. I want to focus a little bit on the acquisition. So the margins at Atrion, they've come on rather significantly for instance 2022. Could you just talk about the right margin profile for this business and the steps you're taking to get the margins to Nordstrom (NYSE:JWN) levels?
Sundaram Nagarajam, President and CEO, Nordson Corporation: Thank you, Saree. The business has gone through supply chain issues and certainly have had to go through some issues. And so the margins have degraded for them in the last couple of years, as you can see in their public information. We fundamentally believe if you look at past track record of this business, their EBITDA margins are in line with notes and like margins. And so we're fully confident that we would be able to return the business back to those same margins over time.
Saree Boroditsky, Analyst, Jefferies: Appreciate that. And then you noted that you saw year over year growth in some of the test and inspection products on an order basis. Could you just quantify this and then provide some additional color on what's driving this improvement and how you see that expanding into 2025? Thank you.
Sundaram Nagarajam, President and CEO, Nordson Corporation: Yes. Thank you, Sari. We see some pretty strong momentum in our optical and acoustic product lines. So optical is our cyber optics business. What you find there is a lot of these applications are in the front end of the semiconductor manufacturing business.
But also this is the business in terms of cyclicality was the first one to experience a downturn early last year, right. So you have the cycle helping us, but in addition, you have some exciting new products like our wafer sense that is used in the semiconductor processing manufacturing steps. And so, you have a combination of new products cycle and where our products are used in the semiconductor manufacturing process. So, the momentum is pretty good. This business continues to have a pretty nice year on year growth from last year.
So we're pretty excited about what we see in this business.
Saree Boroditsky, Analyst, Jefferies: Appreciate the questions. Thank you.
Moderator: Your next question comes from the line of Matt Summerville from D. A. Davidson. Your line is open.
Canyon Hayes, Analyst, D.A. Davidson: Good morning. You've got Canyon Hayes on for Matt Summerville today. So I just wanted to start with a quick review on implied guidance in the Q4. And I was curious how your thoughts might have progressed relative to the prior quarter on IPS, ATS and MFS organic growth?
Sundaram Nagarajam, President and CEO, Nordson Corporation: Thanks. Yes. Could you Go ahead.
Dan Hopgood, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Nordson Corporation: I guess as far as our thoughts, if you look at our underlying guidance, we pretty much we're holding the base business. And so I would say our thoughts are things are playing the year is playing out about as expected for the Q4. But maybe you can give me a little bit more color behind your question.
Canyon Hayes, Analyst, D.A. Davidson: I apologize. I think I might have cut out there, but I think I got what I needed there. Okay. Across the broader industrial space, we've seen project activity get pushed out a little bit as a function of rates, macro, geopolitical, election concerns. I'd be curious if we could get a little bit of color on how or how is that is not affecting Nordson and how we could think about how that implies into the 2025?
Sundaram Nagarajam, President and CEO, Nordson Corporation: Yes. Obviously, we're not talking about 2025. So we want to make sure we will have a chance to talk about it in couple of months from now. But as we think about end market conditions within the company as it stands today, it's good to remind ourselves Nordson has a very diversified portfolio, diversified in end markets, diversified in geography, diversified in systems and consumables or recurring revenues, right. So that's an important piece of the puzzle here.
So if you think about segment by segment, what we see here in IPS is a business non air ag, without our ag business. Think of that as a slight growth to flattish after 2 record years, 13 out of 15 quarters year on year organic growth, right. So I think that's an important context to remember. We see order entry to be pretty steady, and so our expectation is this part of our business remains steady. There are a couple of things that if you want to add a little bit more color to our IPS segment, our recurring revenue is pretty high here, right?
It is north of 50%. And you expect when folks are sort of deferring CapEx spend, they are going to increase their recurring revenues. So that's one piece of it. The other piece of it is you have a couple of our businesses like the nonwovens where we see some pretty good order entry pickup. And so that is certainly helping this business.
One thing to remember is that you do have other sort of large CapEx spends around big trends looking like electric battery vehicles still activity, although the overall market is down. We have automotive electronics, fabric bonding, recapitalization of our base, reshoring, e commerce packaging. So number of trends that are helping us to make small wins. So these are not big home runs, like we like to call them. These are singles and doubles.
But that's what this segment is about. It is about working on end market applications and winning those application by application. So a steady outlook for IPS helped by recurring revenues. On ATS, we do see auto entry starting to pick up. We are being cautious here.
This is an end market that has been cyclical, but we are modestly seeing order entry pickup. We saw a sequential revenue growth in this segment when compared to last quarter. And so that is coming back and we talked a little bit about optical and acoustic product lines in the last answer. Our Medical and Fluid Solutions segment, what you see is a tough comparison when compared to last year where this business grew significantly. And what you also find is that customers, particularly supply chain teams of medical device customers after very unique years of pandemic supply chain being very cautious about their inventory levels.
So we do see weakness in the order entry in this segment. Long term, we are excited about this business. This is a business with very strong growth drivers, aging population, as I talked about in my opening remarks, aging population, increased health, chronic conditions, increased procedure volumes, all of that feels makes us confident about this. And we continue to have long term project conversations with our customers and that is very active and healthy. We also have new product development work that we are continuing to work on in here.
And finally, Atrion is an exciting add to this segment. And we expect that Atrion's products increases the addressable market for this segment nicely.
Moderator: Your next question comes from the line of Jeffrey Hammond from KeyBanc Capital Markets. Your line is open.
Sundaram Nagarajam, President and CEO, Nordson Corporation: Hi, good morning guys. Good morning. Good morning.
Jeffrey Hammond, Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets: So I want to start with this kind of medical interventional, I guess, normalization or destocking. It seems like that's kind of a newer dynamic. And I'm just wondering how long you think that persists before inventories are kind of or supply chains are back to normal?
Sundaram Nagarajam, President and CEO, Nordson Corporation: Yes. As we talked about, there are 2 things going on here. A, in our biopharma business that has stabilized, that has started to come back. In terms of our interventional business, last year these businesses were up 15%, 16%. And so you have you're dealing with some tough comps.
Certainly, supply chain is something that we find our customers to be a lot more cautious today than they were a year ago. Growth drivers remain the same. So it is kind of tough to call when this changes. But procedure volumes are up, so there is nothing going on there. We see some in sourcing, but look, these projects and products, when they are given to a company, there is regulations that are approvals, FDA approvals and all of these things that are associated with winning a project, it is very difficult for these businesses tend to be a lot more sticky, let's put it that way.
And so, if you think about this, it is tough to call this when this is going to turn. We have strong these are small set of customers. This is not a broad thousands of customers. These are handful of medical device customers that we have strong relationships with and we are in touch with them. We understand where things are.
So, I'm trying to paint a picture for you of the overall environment, but not giving you an exact answer. I recognize that.
Jeffrey Hammond, Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets: No, that's okay. And then, Atria, I just want to kind of unpack the deal impacts. It seems like they did $169,000,000 in 2023. They were seeing high single digit growth. We only have kind of a stuck quarter in the Q4.
But just what's kind of the next 12 months run rate of revenue we should think about? Where do we snap lines on EBITDA margins? How should we think about incremental interest, the amort add back D and A, etcetera? Just a little more color there.
Sundaram Nagarajam, President and CEO, Nordson Corporation: So let me get paint some broad pictures and then Dan can take you through a little bit more detail. Right? Broadly, you want to think about this as a mid single digit company. That's what this business is. You also want to think in terms of EBITDA margin performances.
It is below their historical performance, mainly because of supply chain issues and some operational issues that they have had. We fully expect and our model recognizes and the synergies we have signed up for are based on the fact that we resolved many of these and over a period of 2 years, right, over the period of time we have said we would achieve these synergies. Over a period of 2 years, we see a good path to achieving these synergies using NBS Next. I want to say somewhere in 2026, this business gets back to notes and like EBITDA margins, which is what this business historical performance was. So let me give with that sort of high level, Dan, if you want to add a little bit more color to the questions Jeff has.
Dan Hopgood, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Nordson Corporation: Yes. And I guess what I'd say is, A, there's no surprise based on their second quarter results versus what we expected to see in the business. I think it's right in line with our modeling. I think, I would say as far as specific guidance for next year, give us a quarter. We've owned the business for a day.
We know what we know, which is largely public information that you have access to as well. But again, nothing that we've seen surprises us. And in fact, we're very comfortable with the model that we had for the
Sundaram Nagarajam, President and CEO, Nordson Corporation: acquisition. We'll give a
Dan Hopgood, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Nordson Corporation: little more color on that as we give color to next year, next quarter.
Jeffrey Hammond, Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets: Okay. Appreciate it.
Sundaram Nagarajam, President and CEO, Nordson Corporation: Yes.
Moderator: Your next question comes from the line of Mike Halloran from Baird. Your line is open.
Pez, Analyst, Baird: Hey, good morning, everyone. This is Pez on for Mike. I want to go back to the conservative order comment from the interventional side of the business. To be clear, is this incremental to the tough comps that we are expecting in the back half of this calendar year? Is this simply a cost to carry inventory discussion?
And then consequently, should we be expecting destocking in the near term and
Ed, Analyst, BNP Paribas (OTC:BNPQY): a more normal cadence as customers kind
Pez, Analyst, Baird: of get to that new desired level of inventory. Is that how we should be thinking about that?
Sundaram Nagarajam, President and CEO, Nordson Corporation: Yes. What I would tell you is that is what we are experiencing right now. If you think about last year, this business grew in the teens. Typically, this business grows anywhere from 6% to 8%. So growing at mid teens, that's pretty high, right?
And so what we are experiencing today in the orders is really Certainly, it is difficult to time. We see Certainly, it is difficult to time. We see certain amount of we do see some amount of slowness, right? So I want to be clear about what we're talking about. It is tough comps, but it also we see slowness.
And when as you think about when do we get out of this, certainly there are some amount of device manufacturers thinking about their inventory levels and adjusting them to the to reasonable levels. Could that be an impact from interest rates? It's difficult for me to guess any of that. But I would say, we do see a conservative cautious order pattern from our medical device customers.
Pez, Analyst, Baird: Understood. That's helpful, Naga. And then maybe if we could stay on MFS a little bit. I think I may have missed it earlier on the call. Could you help me on the fluid component side and then on EFD?
Yes. EFD Can you help me out a little bit on the trends there?
Sundaram Nagarajam, President and CEO, Nordson Corporation: Sure. EFD is doing well. Order entries are returning. We do see I think we commented maybe a couple of quarters ago that this was one of those businesses where we're seeing early indicators of electronics customers starting to order more. This business is the order entry in this business is pretty encouraging and lot of the work that they're doing in Asia based electronic customers is pretty encouraging.
Ed, Analyst, BNP Paribas: Understood. Thanks. I'll pass it
Moderator: Your next question comes from the line of Andrew Buscaglia from BNP Paribas. Your line is open.
Ed, Analyst, BNP Paribas: Good morning, guys. This is Ed on for Andrew. Thanks for taking my questions. In the prepared remarks, you mentioned the mix of cash and debt to finance the deal, which puts you at about 2x to 2.5x leverage, closing 2024. With a strong free cash flow profile, leverage manageable, can you refresh us on how you're thinking about M and A and more specifically what remains in the pipeline?
Thanks.
Sundaram Nagarajam, President and CEO, Nordson Corporation: Let me start first and then Dan will sort of take over for a couple of other comments around capital deployment. Look, our commitment to organic growth and having a balanced acquisition led growth remains the same. There is no change there. Our strategic and financial criteria for acquisitions remain the same. We feel strongly about how we have been able to be disciplined around the strategic criteria for what acquisitions we're adding to the portfolio and pretty disciplined around the financial rigor on what we need to do with a particular acquisition that will allow us to deliver the returns we target.
So our pipeline remains this remains pretty healthy. And we are open to many different types of deals and you've seen that over the past year. And we continue to work the pipeline. Let me have Dan talk to you a little bit about leverage and capital deployment.
Dan Hopgood, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Nordson Corporation: Yes, maybe just to add a couple of points. Our stated target has been 2x to 2.5x leverage long term. And obviously with just completing the acquisition for Atrium, we'll be at the higher end of that, but that will be temporary. And maybe the best example to give you is we saw a similar thing happened last year when we acquired ARAG. And then as of the end of this quarter, we're back down to 1.6 times leverage.
So we've got obviously plenty of capacity and with our cash flow profile, as you point out, we can quickly delever. And as Naga mentioned, we have an active pipeline. And when the right deal comes along, we'll be ready to move forward.
Ed, Analyst, BNP Paribas: Great to hear. And then, Dan, back to you for this one. You've been CFO for about a quarter now. You come to a company which has had great progress and margin expansion. From your initial assessments, what areas are you seeing in the business as opportunities for further improvements from here?
Dan Hopgood, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Nordson Corporation: I appreciate the question. Yes, I guess I'll say this and again, I spend a lot of time on our best opportunity as a company is continuing to grow organically, which is our major focus. Margins are very healthy. Our cash flow is very healthy. Squeezing margins is not the best use of our time.
Our time is better spent figuring out how to continue to grow the company organically and inorganically.
Ed, Analyst, BNP Paribas: Very helpful. Thanks.
Moderator: Your next question comes from the line of Walter Liptak from Seaport Research Partners. Your line is open.
Canyon Hayes, Analyst, D.A. Davidson: Hey, good morning guys.
Sundaram Nagarajam, President and CEO, Nordson Corporation: Good morning. Good morning.
Walter Liptak, Analyst, Seaport Research Partners: I wanted to ask kind of a follow on to the IPS segment question and get some color around the stable sort of low single digit outlook for IPS. And then I guess what I'm trying to get to is that we have seen other similar industrial companies kind of pauses in their industrial goods businesses, especially longer term kind of project businesses. So I wonder if you can provide just some more color around geographic regions, China, Europe versus North America. And you called out some growth areas. And I wonder how much of the focus from MBS Next helps you to gain market share in some of those growing markets as opposed to maybe some others that might be weaker?
Sundaram Nagarajam, President and CEO, Nordson Corporation: Yes. Let's maybe give you some little bit color into a couple of the divisions and where we're thinking. 1st and foremost, this is year 4 of NBS Next. Clearly, within our businesses and IPS being one of those businesses, which were where we first implemented and couple of other MFS businesses to be implemented next. What you find here is we operate in a diversified set of end market niches.
And in some of these cases, particularly in IPS, what you find is certain end markets are have high demand or growing and having investments at a particular time. But over 6 quarters or 12 quarters, what you find is another end market application getting more demand and becoming more important for the growth of the business. So for each of our division leaders, understanding each of these end markets end market niches and being agile and entrepreneurial in shifting resources from one end market to another to another is a great way for us to continue to participate in markets that are growing and de resource for a period of time markets that are not growing, right. So it is a dynamic set of end market niches that the teams are operating in. NBS Next allows them to be able to have clarity around those applications and be able to shift one to another.
So that is that certainly helps us that allows us to have the steady performance, which you see on the outside. But within the company, within the divisions, you do see some markets doing well, others not doing so well. So that's one sort of dynamic that we've that's important to recognize. The second is, certainly there are certain end markets like plastic processing, for example. We've had an incredible run for the last 2, maybe 2.5 years.
And might you expect some modest pullback on those? Yes, there is possibility. But overall, we are very pleased with how our teams are using NBS Next, how because we constantly talk within the company, the best opportunity for Nordson, for our businesses is growth. And understanding your best customers, understanding your best market opportunities, deploying your differentiated products to those, that's the ticket to win. And so really, these market conditions are dynamic and different.
But I fundamentally believe our effective Ascend strategy with NBS Next and owner mindset, a division led structure that allows our teams to be entrepreneurial certainly helps. The core strengths of the company still remains the same. Diversified end markets, systems and high recurring revenues, close to the customer model, playing with differentiated products. All of these core strengths is what makes Nordson successful. I am incredibly proud of our team because at varying economic demand conditions, Our team consistently over the last 3 years have delivered 30 plus percent EBITDA margins.
And that is not same for everybody. In some cases, we've had to adjust costs. In some cases, we had to invest ahead of the curve. I think that kind of goes to speak to our Ascend strategy and NBS Next growth framework.
Walter Liptak, Analyst, Seaport Research Partners: Okay, great. Yes, no doubt the margin improvement has been there and it's good to see you're getting some you're able to shift around to these different markets. Okay, yes, I guess maybe just to
Sundaram Nagarajam, President and CEO, Nordson Corporation: see if
Walter Liptak, Analyst, Seaport Research Partners: we can get some geographic thoughts, how you're seeing some of the Asian markets or Europe. I wonder if we can get any comments there.
Sundaram Nagarajam, President and CEO, Nordson Corporation: If you think about different regions, still the U. S.-based markets have been the best and have been the strongest. If you near term look at our businesses in Asia Pacific particularly, they are benefiting from what we see in our electronic business. Our electronic businesses are coming back. And so you see our Asia Pac markets are recovering nicely.
China is also doing well, but you also have some of our nonwoven customers, our OEM customers in China have been a source of strength for our businesses. So Europe is still in our organic growth there is a little weaker than our own but you have OEM customers there. Our parts revenues are pretty good. Our system revenues are a little bit. You also see in Europe is our ARAG impact is also because ARAG is mostly a European business.
Canyon Hayes, Analyst, D.A. Davidson: Okay, great. Appreciate the color.
Moderator: Your next question comes from the line of Chris Dankert from Loop Capital Markets. Your line is open.
Laura Mahoney, Vice President of Investor Relations and Corporate Communications, Nordson Corporation0: Hey, morning guys. Thanks for taking the questions.
Dan Hopgood, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Nordson Corporation: Good morning. I guess first off,
Laura Mahoney, Vice President of Investor Relations and Corporate Communications, Nordson Corporation0: if we could kind of look at backlog a little bit more, can you just maybe give us some comments on how you see the complexion there? How the systems are kind of normalizing as a part of that mix? Would you agree there's still about $100,000,000 or so left of kind of elevated backlog versus normal? Maybe just some commentary around how
Sundaram Nagarajam, President and CEO, Nordson Corporation: you see that piece of
Laura Mahoney, Vice President of Investor Relations and Corporate Communications, Nordson Corporation0: the business and then how it's progressing?
Sundaram Nagarajam, President and CEO, Nordson Corporation: Yes. If you think about our backlog, it's important to level set where the business was historically and historically was around $400,000,000 $450,000,000 Of course, in this incredible period of time, the business has grown. So the scale at which we would expect the normalized or historically normalized backlog is different, right. But the other thing that has also changed is customer order patterns are different. One example I would give you in our medical businesses in the past, we used to get large blanket orders that go into our backlog.
Well, that doesn't happen anymore. Our delivery performance has significantly improved. And so, we certainly have customers starting to have an expectation that we can ship things much faster than we have ever in our history. So, a couple of different dynamics. What we do see in our $640,000,000 $6 $50,000,000 backlog is, it is still weighted to our system businesses.
But if you think about our regular businesses, which are book and ship type businesses, they've all returned to normal order entry, normal backlogs now for several quarters. So this is nothing new for us. We continue to as our backlog comes down, it is really our system business backlog coming down.
Dan Hopgood, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Nordson Corporation: Got it. That's helpful color. Thank you, Naga. And then maybe just quickly on ARAG, forgive me if
Sundaram Nagarajam, President and CEO, Nordson Corporation: I missed it, again, obviously,
Laura Mahoney, Vice President of Investor Relations and Corporate Communications, Nordson Corporation0: a little bit more weakness in that end market from a sales perspective, but just curious how you're seeing the margin performance in that business? How is the team handling the lower volumes? Any color there would be great.
Sundaram Nagarajam, President and CEO, Nordson Corporation: Yes. The margin performance has been really good. The company is performing at notes and like EBITDA margin levels. And so we couldn't be more pleased with the team. I think we are focused on making sure we reinforce the things that we liked about the business.
We liked the technology. We liked the market presence in Europe. We liked the precision ag components that we are delivering to some of our largest customers. So it is really important even in this downturn, staying focused on new product development, staying focused on customers that are going to generate the demand as this cycle comes back is where we are focused on. Most of the integration is pretty much done.
We really like the team. The team is doing wonderful. They're getting to know NBS Next. They're starting to have an enthusiasm on implementing it in their businesses. And
Walter Liptak, Analyst, Seaport Research Partners: we as
Sundaram Nagarajam, President and CEO, Nordson Corporation: a company are learning to operate in Italy, right? And it is a new geography for us, but we've been in Europe for a long time. We've been in Europe for decades in Germany and in U. K. So this is adding a new country to our mix of businesses.
So overall, integration going well, love the technology, great people, they're integrating well into the company, learning NBS Next, getting in our cadence of operations. So it's an exciting time. The market is not helping us, but I think that is temporary in my opinion. It will take time to come back, but we are prepared and we are focused on things that we need to be focused on and not letting them distracted from a technology development perspective.
Dan Hopgood, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Nordson Corporation: Understood. Thanks so much for the detail, Naga.
Sundaram Nagarajam, President and CEO, Nordson Corporation: Sure.
Moderator: That concludes our question and answer session. I will now turn the call back over to Naga for closing remarks.
Sundaram Nagarajam, President and CEO, Nordson Corporation: Thank you for your time and attention on today's call. The long term profitable growth strategy that fuels our total shareholder value remains strong. We look forward to seeing you in person at our New York Investor Day on October 3, 2024. Have a great day.
Moderator: This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.
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