Southwest Gas (NYSE:SWX) Holdings, Inc. (NYSE: SWX) has released its first-quarter financial results for 2024, announcing a record high in quarterly net income and substantial progress in its regulatory and strategic initiatives.
The company successfully closed the Centuri IPO, which netted about $329 million in proceeds used to reduce Centuri's debt. Southwest Gas expects its 2024 utility net income to be toward the higher end of the $228 million to $238 million guidance range, supported by strong economic growth in its service areas and disciplined financial management.
Key Takeaways
- Southwest Gas Holdings closed the Centuri IPO, raising approximately $329 million.
- The company's Nevada rate case approval is expected to increase the authorized rate base by 20% to 25%.
- 2024 utility net income is projected toward the upper half of the $228 million to $238 million guidance.
- Southwest Gas plans to fully separate from Centuri through various strategic options.
- The company reports the highest quarterly net income on record and is focused on maintaining an investment-grade balance sheet.
Company Outlook
- Southwest Gas affirms its guidance estimates for 2024 to 2026.
- The company is committed to delivering steady rate-based and earnings growth through financial discipline and operational excellence.
- Capital expenditure plans are in place, with a goal of achieving a flat O&M per customer trend through 2026.
Bearish Highlights
- The company did not provide specific details on new casinos or the Arizona tracker process.
- Comprehensive financial guidance will not be available until the separation of Centuri is completed.
Bullish Highlights
- The company emphasized the strong regional economic outlook in its service territories, including Las Vegas and the Phoenix area.
- Growth in manufacturing, tech, and entertainment sectors is anticipated to contribute to new facilities and increased sports volume.
Misses
- There were no significant misses reported during the earnings call.
Q&A Highlights
- The company discussed its net operating loss position, providing flexibility for taxable transactions.
- Southwest Gas has approximately $1 billion in NOLs to offset taxable transactions.
- A six-month lockup period is in effect following the Centuri IPO.
- Management is considering a potential taxable transaction or a tax-free spin or split for Centuri's full separation.
Southwest Gas Holdings' first-quarter earnings call painted a picture of a company on solid financial footing, looking to leverage its regulatory successes and strategic positioning to ensure long-term growth. With the successful closing of the Centuri IPO and the approval of the Nevada rate case, the company is set to increase its authorized rate base significantly.
Southwest Gas is exploring various options to fully separate from Centuri while preserving the potential for a tax-free spin. The company's strong economic outlook in its service territories and its commitment to financial discipline are expected to drive continued earnings growth.
Still, comprehensive financial guidance will remain on hold until the Centuri separation process is complete. The company's upcoming activities include conference participation and the launch of a new investor website, indicating ongoing engagement with the investment community.
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- The company has a market capitalization of $5.45 billion, indicating a solid size within the utility sector.
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Full transcript - Southwest Gas Holdings Inc (SWX) Q1 2024:
Operator: Welcome to Southwest Gas Holdings First Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. Today’s call is being recorded and our webcast is live. A replay will be available later today and for the next 12 months on the Southwest Gas Holdings’ website. At this time all participants are in a listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] I will now turn the call over to Justin Forsberg, Vice President of Investor Relations and Treasurer of Southwest Gas Holdings. Please go ahead.
Justin Forsberg: Thank you, John, and hello, everyone. We appreciate you joining our call. This morning, we issued and posted a Southwest Gas Holdings website, our first quarter 2024 earnings release and the associated Form 10-Q. The slides accompanying today’s call are also available on Southwest Gas Holdings’ website. We’ll refer to those slides by number throughout the call today. Please note that on today’s call, we will address certain factors that may impact this year’s earnings and provide some longer-term guidance. Some of the information that will be discussed today contains forward-looking statements. These statements are based on management’s assumptions on what the future holds, but are subject to several risks and uncertainties, including uncertainties surrounding the impacts of future economic conditions and regulatory approvals. This cautionary note as well as a note regarding non-GAAP measures is included on Slides 2 and 3 of this presentation. Today’s press release and our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, which we encourage you to review. These risks and uncertainties may cause actual results to differ materially from statements made today. We caution you against placing undue reliance on any forward-looking statements, and we assume no obligation to update any such statement. As shown on Slide 4, on today’s call, we have Karen Haller, President and CEO of Southwest Gas Holdings; and Rob Stefani, Chief Financial Officer of Southwest Gas Holdings; Justin Brown, President of Southwest Gas Corporation and other members of the management team available to answer your questions during the Q&A portion of the call today. I’ll now turn the call over to Karen.
Karen Haller: Thanks, Justin. Thank you for joining us today to discuss the Southwest Gas Holdings first quarter results. Turning to Slide 5, the successful closing of the Centuri IPO in April marked a significant milestone in our transformational strategy of returning Southwest Gas to its core foundation as a premiere fully regulated natural gas utility. We were pleased with the market’s reception of the offering and we look forward to completing the separation of Centuri in a timely manner. During the quarter, we continued to make progress, positioning the utility for long-term success and growth. We started the year by executing on our regulatory strategy at Southwest with filings in Arizona and Great Basin, and we received approval of our Nevada case, which was a constructive regulatory outcome. Additionally, we finished the first quarter with another quarter of record operating margin over the last 12 months. Customer growth and demand remain strong and the entire Southwest Gas team is acutely focused on safely addressing the needs of our customers, investing in the communities we serve and delivering value for our shareholders. We are strategically deploying capital and investing in our operations so that we can meet the demand for safe, reliable and affordable energy solutions, while also working constructively with our regulators and legislators to complement our strong organic rate base growth. We are encouraged by the strong momentum underway. We are affirming our 2024 to 2026 guidance estimates and expect 2024 utility net income toward the upper half of our range. The expected revenue increases from rate cases will provide net income growth, which as a result of rate case timing, will continue to be non-linear over the forecast period. We expect our refreshed rate structures to benefit us in catching up with the historic inflationary environment we have experienced and the significant system investments we’ve made for the benefit of our customers over the past few years. Our confidence in our future is further demonstrated by an affirmed expected rate base compounded annual growth rate over the same period in the range of 6.5% to 7.5%, and our commitment to maintain a strong investment grade balance sheet and competitive dividend. An overview of the closing of the Centuri IPO is included on Slide 6. We are pleased that the IPO priced at the top end of the announced price range with an initial price of $21 per share of Centuri common stock. The IPO netted approximately $329 million of net cash proceeds, which went directly to Centuri and were used to reduce its debt by $316 million. This result strengthens credit metrics and the balance sheets at both Centuri and Southwest Gas Holdings. Inclusive of the base offering the overallotment that was exercised in full by the underwriters and the private placement, Southwest Gas now holds an 81% interest in Centuri as its majority stockholder. The overall success of the transaction reinforces our team’s commitment to the separation strategy. I want to thank the team for their focus and hard work and to congratulate Bill Fehrman and the entire team at Centuri on their successful launch into the public markets. On this slide, you will find links to Centuri’s investor materials for the first quarter of 2024, which are also available on Centuri’s investor website. Centuri is not scheduling an investor call this quarter, but expects to begin investor calls following the release of their second quarter 2024 financial results later this summer. As you can see on Slide 7, we have already made excellent progress on our 2024 strategic priorities and we are on track to achieve them all. With regard to the Centuri separation path following the successful execution of the IPO, Southwest Gas Holdings may ultimately separate the business through a series of sell-downs or share exchanges, or depending on market conditions, we retain the ability to distribute the balance of Centuri shares to Southwest Gas Holding stockholders through a spin. Any of these strategies need to follow the six-month lockup period that was required in the IPO. Because the successful execution of an IPO with sell-downs or share exchange is contingent on market and other conditions, we continue to preserve the potential for a tax free spin, but we expect our significant net operating loss balance could serve as a partial offset to a taxable transaction. We remain committed to separating Centuri and we believe we have taken the appropriate steps and actions to benefit all stockholders. Our 2024 financing plan includes issuing a modest amount of equity under an ATM program and extending the existing $550 million term loan at Southwest Gas Holdings to allow us the flexibility to pay down or refinance that facility. These plans are dependent upon the Centuri separation process and timing in 2024. In terms of our utility and regulatory strategy for 2024, we’ve already made notable strides. I’ll discuss the Nevada rate case outcome in a minute, but we filed $126 million revenue increase request in Arizona in February, which includes a capital tracker followed by a rate case at Great Basin in March and we are on track to file a case in California in the third quarter of this year. You can see details of some of this regulatory activity on Slides 25 and 26 in the appendix to this presentation. Rate case progress and our cost discipline efforts reinforce our confidence in our net income guidance for 2024. We anticipate the outcomes of all of these regulatory proceedings will result in an increase in our authorized rate base by 20% to 25%. We are very pleased with the progress we are making on our strategic priorities and are confident in our ability to deliver on our objectives in 2024. Turning to Slide 8. You can see on the slide we provide an update for our Nevada rate case filing, which was approved last month by the Nevada Commission. The commission authorized an overall $59.1 million annualized revenue increase across our Nevada service areas that became effective in early April of this year. We see the results of the case as a positive outcome and represents the settlement of several issues with intervenors and staff that were ultimately stipulated in the revenue increase. Cost of capital difference between the stipulated revenue increase on the slide and the authorized revenue increase represents the difference in our requested return on equity and the 9.5% that was authorized. This updated ROE is 10 basis points higher than what had been authorized previously. We’re appreciative of the strong relationship we have with key stakeholders in Nevada and are pleased that we were able to work with them in a constructive way to finalize the Nevada rate case. We are now recovering nearly $300 million of the over $1 billion in rate base that we are requesting in this rate case cycle, which includes the Nevada, Arizona, Great Basin and forthcoming California rate cases. The Nevada outcome represents 80% of the original request, which is a significant improvement over prior cases. On Slide 9, we highlight our strong first quarter 2024 performance at Southwest and at Centuri. The utility is off to a good start for the year with a $1 million increase in net income over the first quarter of last year. We continue to experience strong customer growth, adding more than 40,000 new meter sets over the past 12 months. While continuing to make additional investments to ensure our system remains safe and reliable for the benefit of our customers. And as I noted, we also achieved a positive regulatory outcome in Nevada and advanced our strategy in other jurisdictions. Our operations and maintenance expenses were flat compared to the first quarter of 2023 and our balance sheet is strong, having now collected the majority of the deferred purchase gas cost balance. Balance has been reduced by more than $770 million since Q1 2023 and is reflected in the more than $400 million cash balance as of the end of March 2024. And you can see Centuri’s key highlights on the slide as well, which includes deleveraging through the IPO. Again, we’re pleased with Centuri’s progress and would refer you to its 10-Q and earnings press release that was issued earlier today for more detail on its first quarter performance. With that, I’ll turn the call over to Rob, who will review our financial performance for the year.
Rob Stefani: Thanks, Karen. On Slide 11, we outline our earnings per share performance for the year. The company’s consolidated; GAAP and adjusted EPS are shown by each consolidated entity. As Karen mentioned earlier, the utility is performed on plan during the first quarter and we saw results at Centuri that were consistent with what was outlined in the Centuri S-1. Utility generated its highest quarterly net income on record and we saw significantly lower losses at the holdings company on a comparative basis as strategic costs were lower this year following the sale of MountainWest in early 2023. On an adjusted basis, Southwest Gas Holdings finished the first quarter of 2024 with EPS of $1.37 a share, a decrease of $0.40 per share when compared to Q1 of 2023. In the appendix, we provide a reconciliation of adjustments by operating company. The vast majority of the first quarter 2024 adjustments relate to the Centuri separation costs and amortization of intangible assets at Centuri, while Q1 2023 adjustments also include impacts from the sale of MountainWest that was completed in February of 2023. Note that the amortization of intangible assets at Centuri is a new adjustment this quarter and is consistent with treatment by other Centuri peers in the utility infrastructure services sector. We have provided that adjustment to help investors better compare Centuri’s performance with other companies in the sector following the Centuri IPO. This adjustment has been shown for the same period in the first quarter 2023 for consistency and comparative purposes. Now, I’ll provide a walkthrough on the performance of Southwest Gas Holdings and the utility. Turning to Slide 12, we depict a consolidated earnings walk on an adjusted basis. It should be noted that post-IPO, so long as Southwest Gas meets the consolidation requirements, we expect to continue to fully consolidate Centuri’s financial results. During the first quarter, the utility benefited from higher margin, which was partially offset by increased depreciation and amortization, as well as reductions in interest income resulting from lower deferred purchased gas cost balances associated with the PGA recovery. Centuri’s EPS was lower due to lack of storm restoration services work compared to 2023 and reduced volumes of contract work. The first quarter of 2023 also included a month and a half of MountainWest earnings and the HoldCo benefited from lower expenses compared to Q1 2023 primarily related to the MountainWest loss in the prior period, which was not present in the same period in 2024. The remaining change, quarter-over-quarter relates to the impacts of share dilution from the equity issuances in 2023. Moving on to Slide 13, you’ll see the quarter-over-quarter performance drivers for our utility Southwest Gas Corporation. In the first quarter of 2024, utility operating margin increased by just over $9 million compared to the same period last year. This improvement was driven primarily by $10 million of increased recovery on prior investments in Arizona, as well as a modest increase in recoveries in California and $7 million of additional recovery associated with regulatory account balances. We also saw $5 million of improved margin as a result of continued customer growth throughout our service areas. You might recall that during last year’s first quarter, an $8 million out of period adjustment was made related to the net cost of gas sold that benefited 2023 first quarter earnings that did not recur this year. The remaining difference largely relates to impacts of miscellaneous revenue changes and impacts to margin from decoupled customers. O&M was flat quarter over quarter reflecting our disciplined cost management strategy, and we remain confident that we will be able to achieve our stated goal of continuing to keep O&M costs flat on a per customer basis through 2026. The approximate $10 million increase in depreciation and amortization and general taxes was primarily due to the $7 million of increased amortization of regulatory account balances that is offset by a corresponding amount and improved margin, along with the higher depreciation expense associated with 7% increase in average gas plant and service compared to Q1 2023. Other income was flat compared with last year, the net result of a few drivers. We saw a nearly $3 million decline in interest income related to carrying charges associated with lower regulatory account balances, notably the deferred purchased gas cost balances. COLI results were $1 million higher than Q1 2023 as we saw an increase in values underlying corresponding life insurance policies and we saw a nearly $2 million increase in the equity portion of allowance for funds used during construction or AFUDC this quarter. Interest expense at the utility decreased by approximately $2 million from the prior year’s first quarter, primarily due to the net impact of additional interest associated with the $300 million of senior notes issued in March 2023, offset by the impacts of an earlier $450 million Southwest Gas Corporation PGA related term loan issued in January of 2023 to support gas purchases, which was repaid in April of 2023. Overall, the performance at the utility was in line with what we had expected for the first quarter. Karen will discuss our 2024 net income guidance in a moment. On Slide 14, we have provided our 2024 financing plan for both Southwest Gas Holdings and Southwest Gas Corporation that has been updated to reflect the IPO outcome and which will still assume consolidation of Centuri. To the extent Centuri ceases to be consolidated in 2024, we will adjust our guidance accordingly. In addition, we would highlight that the HoldCo balance sheet could improve further depending on the post-IPO market conditions and the form of separation Southwest Gas Holdings takes with respect to its remaining ownership position in Centuri. We continue to expect cash flow from operations to more than fund the entire capital expenditure program forecasted in 2024 at the utility. In addition, based on the strength of our balance sheet and successful refinancing efforts in 2023, we continue to anticipate very modest additional near-term equity needs of approximately $75 million during 2024, again depending on post-IPO separation execution form. And we do not foresee any debt refinancing or financing needs at the utility in 2024. It’s important to note that in addition to our limited equity needs of approximately $150 million in the next two fiscal years, inclusive of the $75 million this year expected through the ATM, we have very limited debt refinancing needs through the end of 2026 outside of our $550 million Southwest Holdings term loan. We do plan to amend and extend that term loan in either the second or third quarter of 2024, as well as the $400 million revolver at the utility. At holdings, we reiterate our plan to target a solid investment grade balance sheet. As we have said previously, Southwest Gas Holdings remains committed to paying a competitive dividend to our stockholders. We plan to hold the dividend flat again in 2024, which we would expect would result in a competitive payout ratio. We will continue to balance factors such as projected capital requirements, impacts to credit ratings, the competitiveness of the dividend yield rate case outcomes, economic conditions and other factors, and plan to revisit dividend policy for any changes that materialize. As we work to fully separate Centuri. We should have better clarity regarding the planned separation in coming quarters. Moving to Slide 15, we take a look at our balance sheet strength and our commitment to maintaining an investment grade profile. On the left hand side, we walk through net debt by operating company. When we look at the utility debt levels, we continue to highlight the PGA balance, which represents working capital that Southwest has spent for prior commodity purchases and is owed to Southwest by customers. As expected, we have seen a timely recovery of this PGA balance and we continue to earn a carrying amount on these balances as reflected in the chart in the appendix on Slide 23, which provides additional detail. While I noted earlier that interest income is expected to decline this year due to the lower PGA balances, you will see the large utility cash balance on Slide 15 that significantly obviates the need for us to pursue additional financing in the near term. On the right hand side of Slide 15, we note that we had no changes to our credit ratings or outlook from the three agencies since our fourth quarter 2023 earnings call. In addition, Moody’s recently affirmed the ratings at both the holdings company and at the utility. I’ll now turn the call over to Karen and Slide 17 to discuss our guidance.
Karen Haller: Thanks, Rob. Our first quarter results are evidence of the progress we continue to make executing our strategy and we are enthusiastic about the rest of 2024. On Slide 17, we are affirming our 2024 Southwest net income guidance to be in the range of $228 million to $238 million. We are confident that strong regional economic outlook in our service territories. The completion of our Nevada rate case outcome as well as expected results of our cost management efforts will drive 2024 results toward the upper half of the net income guidance range. Our team remains focused on optimizing utility operations. We affirm our 2024 utility CapEx at approximately $830 million, partly due to expected customer growth to the utility. As a reminder, this would be an increase over 2023 of about $70 million. While nearly 50% of our forecasted capital spending relates to maintaining a safe and reliable system for the benefit of all of our customers, some of this increased 2024 CapEx is a result of the responsibility we have to invest in our infrastructure to meet the better than expected customer growth and favorable new business trends across our service territories, combined with the required investments we make to enhance the safety and integrity of the system. Part of the increase is driven by our continuous improvement initiatives, which we expect to lead to future expense savings at the utility. Looking further out, we still expect compounded annual growth rate for net income at the utility to fall within the range of 10% to 12% from 2024 through 2026. While the impact of the regulatory cycle is expected to result in somewhat lumpy net income growth over the forecasted period, our regulatory strategy and our plan to achieve a flat O&M per customer trend over that same period are expected to be important components of our growth story. Additionally, you can find the 2024 to 2026 drivers in the appendix of our presentation on Slide 24. We also affirm our rate based compound annual growth rate to be in the range of 6.5% to 7.5% over the same 2024 to 2026 period, and we continue to expect to invest about $2.4 billion in total of CapEx over the next three years. Before we open the call up to Q&A, I want to point to Slide 18 and emphasize that our teams are focused on executing our strategic priorities, delivering strong financial results and providing exceptional service to our customers. At Southwest Gas Holdings, we are confident in our path forward. As a premier pure-play natural gas utility, we plan to continue delivering steady organic rate based growth through strong regional demand dynamics as well as earnings growth through financial discipline, operational excellence and constructive regulatory relationships. We’ll continue to execute toward the plans full separation of Centuri to create an attractive value proposition for stockholders and to delever the business organically with healthy cash flow generation. With that, I’d like to open the call for questions. While Centuri remains in a post-IPO quiet period, we’ll plan to refer you to Centuri’s public materials and going forward to their management team for any Centuri-specific operations and financial questions.
Operator: Thank you. [Operator Instructions] The first question comes from the line of Chris Ellinghaus from Siebert Williams Shank. Please go ahead.
Chris Ellinghaus: Hey, everybody, how are you?
Karen Haller: Morning, Chris.
Chris Ellinghaus: Rob, is there any color that you can provide in terms of the way you envision the cadence of reducing the Centuri stake over time?
Rob Stefani: Hey, Chris. Good morning. I think at this time we continue to evaluate the options with respect to the balance of the Centuri stake. Obviously, as Karen had highlighted, we have the net operating loss position, which provides us flexibility to potentially pursue a taxable transaction which could take the form of, sell down or exchanges or some combination thereof. Just again, we’ll continue to evaluate that along with Centuri performance while continuing to preserve the tax free option of a spin or a split. So, at this time, we continue to evaluate the post-IPO options, and we’ll put more information out as that evaluation unfolds.
Chris Ellinghaus: Okay. Karen, you didn’t talk too much about, the economy this time. Have you got anything that you want to add vis-à-vis what’s going on in Vegas or in the Phoenix area with your, I guess, the right words, vibrant economies?
Karen Haller: Yes, I would agree. Vibrant economy. As we’ve, last quarter, we laid out a number of different things and talked specifically about some of the projects that are going on, and so some of that’s in our materials. But you’re correct; we continue to have, excellent growth and things going on in our different jurisdictions. The Arizona area continues with manufacturing and tech growth, and we’ve opened a number of, a couple of new casinos and different resort sort areas continue to be entertainment sports here in Las Vegas and the Nevada area. So, we’ve seen a number of areas that we continue to grow and expect that to continue.
Chris Ellinghaus: Okay. You obviously lost one casino recently, but is the influx of sports volume affecting your business in any, I assume, positive way in terms of sort of visitor throughput. But can you sort of just describe how sports is affecting your business in Vegas?
Karen Haller: Well, I think, as you pointed out, we’ve lost one casino, but that casino will be replaced with a baseball facility here in time. So most of that land, that’s right down on the Las Vegas trip [ph]. And so if something does close, we usually see it followed by something bigger and probably greater demand. So we anticipate, so from that standpoint that there is facilities that are going on or will be built on that location where the Tropicana closed. I think that there’s a number of facilities that sports have brought. I mean, we have the Allegiant Stadium, the T-Mobile arena. I mean we provide to those different facilities as well. And as you’ve seen, there’s been a great influx of, I think, customers which supports the economy, provides growth and provides growth for our residential market. We have strong residential growth which is here and supports all of the commercial growth that’s going on.
Chris Ellinghaus: In terms of new casinos, I think there’s one piece of property that looks like you might get another one. Has there been an announcement of its down in the, I want to say it’s in the Fountain Blue kind of neighborhood. Is there any sort of vision on what’s up with that property there?
Karen Haller: I don’t have any specifics at this time on that.
Chris Ellinghaus: Okay. And lastly, have you got any more updated thoughts on the Arizona tracker process?
Karen Haller: I don’t think we have anything that we haven’t discussed thus far. We’ve obviously filed for the tracker in our Arizona rate case. We’ve had discussions and feel good about the position that we’re in on our request with that tracker. We’re not going to, as with the process and timing in Arizona will be later this year before we even get intervener testimony and a hearing wouldn’t be expected until probably November of this year. So, we’ll know more as the case progresses, but at this point I don’t have anything new on it.
Chris Ellinghaus: Yes. Thank you very much. Appreciate the color.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Ryan Levine from Citi. Please go ahead.
Ryan Levine: Hi, everybody. How does Southwest or does Southwest Gas have a preference for formula rates for future test years in Arizona? And how could these potential lag related hearing this summer impact the SIB tracker process or proceedings?
Karen Haller: Hi, Ryan. Justin is here with me. I’m going to let him respond to that.
Justin Brown: Hey, Ryan. I don’t know if there’s a preference. I mean, I think we’re just very encouraged that the commission continues to be focused on making structural improvements. I know, I think probably in June they’re going to be having further discussions around kind of next steps on, how this rulemaking or investigatory docket is going to proceed. I know we’ve presented on, kind of the future test year kind of rate making model that we experience in California. They’ve asked for some additional information on that. So, I think that’s encouraging. And, we’re just excited to participate and excited that they continue to be focused on making incremental improvement there.
Ryan Levine: Thanks. And I heard the, I guess during the last hearing that the request for some of the additional comparison of California versus state, I mean, it does that. And under what format is that information communicated or is there a lot of back and forth as they compare different jurisdictions of [indiscernible]?
Justin Brown: Yes, I mean, I think it’s really kind of describe it like an investigatory docket. Right. I think there’s a lot of, you had the workshop in March, and I think they’re going to look to have, kind of another workshop they need to get scheduled. But I think a lot of it is just trying to understand is there a single model that they want to go to or do they want to have an approach where kind of like you mentioned, there’s different options for different utilities? So, I think that’s something they’re trying to figure out, and I think that’s just going to unfold as we go through the workshop process and they learn more about kind of the different models that are there.
Ryan Levine: Got it. Unrelated topic. What’s the outlook for the NOL balances into next year? And is there any impact of a timing on a Centuri sell-down with the timing of a potential tax free spin future – in the future?
Karen Haller: Ryan, as to the timing with respect to what we do with Centuri, I think we mentioned we’re in a six-month lockup for following the IPO, and so, that will impact the timing. And following that, as I indicated, we’re committed to continuing with the separation. I’ll go ahead and let Rob answer your question with respect to the NOL.
Rob Stefani: Hey, Ryan. Yes, so we don’t provide the forward guidance on the NOL position, but we’ll just refer you, we had just about a $1 billion of NOLs as of the end of the year. And so that’s obviously a substantive position that could be used to offset a taxable form of a transaction. I think that provides us a lot of optionality with what we do with that 81% stake.
Ryan Levine: Okay, and then last question. Now that the IPO is complete, should we look for more comprehensive financial guidance from Southwest Gas given that restriction is lifted?
Karen Haller: Ryan, we wouldn’t expect to change the longer term guidance, if that’s what you’re referring to, until we really understand what the full separation of Centuri looks like. So once we’ve completed that, we’ll be in a better position to be able to provide longer term guidance.
Ryan Levine: Thank you for taking my questions.
Karen Haller: Thanks.
Operator: [Operator Instructions] As there are no further questions at this time. This concludes our Q&A session. I will now turn the call over back to Justin for closing remarks.
Justin Forsberg: Thanks, John, and thank you all for joining us today and for your questions. This concludes our conference call, and we look forward to seeing many of you soon as we participate in conference activities next week at the Citi Global Utilities Conference in Boston, followed by the AGA Financial Conference in Palm Desert, California, as well as other events a little further out. I wanted to highlight that we recently launched a new investor website, which is intended to help you to find information about the company more easily. Please let us know your thoughts as you navigate the updated site. Slide 19 of today’s presentation also includes my contact information and as always, feel free to reach out at any time. Thank you for your interest in Southwest Gas. Have a great day.
Operator: This concludes today’s Southwest Gas Holdings first quarter 2024 earnings calls and webcast. You may disconnect your line at this time. Have a wonderful day.
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