Koppers Holdings Inc . (NYSE: NYSE:KOP), a global provider of treated wood products, wood treatment chemicals, and carbon compounds, reported its second-quarter earnings for 2024, with consolidated sales slightly down but achieving a record high in adjusted EBITDA. Despite a decrease in sales, the company has maintained its full-year guidance, with a focus on cost control and strategic growth initiatives. The company's commitment to safety through its Zero Harm initiative has shown progress, and its enhanced carbon products plant in Nyborg, Denmark, is set to capitalize on opportunities in the growing lithium-ion battery market.
Key Takeaways
- Consolidated sales reached $563.2 million, a $14 million decrease from the previous year's quarter.
- Adjusted EBITDA hit a record $77.5 million with a margin of 13.8%.
- Diluted earnings per share stood at $1.25, with adjusted earnings per share at $1.36.
- The Zero Harm initiative resulted in fewer recordable injuries and safety incidents.
- The Nyborg plant is expected to produce higher value carbon products for the lithium-ion battery market.
- Full-year guidance maintained with flat consolidated sales growth and adjusted EBITDA between $265 million and $280 million.
- A quarterly dividend of $0.07 per share was declared, with an expected annual increase of 17% from 2023.
Company Outlook
- Koppers expects to meet its near-term goals for 2024 and 2025, with a focus on cost control.
- The company projects flat volumes in the performance chemicals segment but anticipates an EBITDA improvement.
- Integration of the Brown acquisition and progress in the Texas market noted for the utility and industrial products business.
- The railroad products and services business is dealing with customer challenges but has managed to increase prices.
- The carbon materials and chemicals business is facing lower pricing and volumes for pitch, but phthalic anhydride is performing well.
Bearish Highlights
- The average pricing of major products declined by 17%, and average coal tar cost decreased by 21% from the previous year's quarter.
- Net debt increased to $943 million, primarily due to the Brown Wood acquisition.
Bullish Highlights
- Koppers aims to reduce net leverage ratio to the low 3s by the end of 2024, targeting a long-term net leverage ratio of 2x to 3x.
- The company plans to reduce capital expenditures by $10 million as part of their long-term operating strategy.
Misses
- The company reported a slight decrease in consolidated sales compared to the same quarter in the previous year.
Q&A Highlights
- CEO Leroy Ball (NYSE:BALL) emphasized the business's resilience despite challenging macro indicators.
- Ball expects the RUP segment margins to improve due to cost reductions, operational efficiencies, and new business opportunities.
- Jim Sullivan commented on customer reactions to the discontinuation of certain free services, noting most customers were understanding and cooperative.
Koppers Holdings Inc. remains poised to navigate the market's challenges with its strategic initiatives and commitment to operational excellence. The company's focus on safety, cost control, and the potential of its enhanced carbon products plant in Denmark underscores its dedication to long-term growth and shareholder value. With a steady outlook and robust strategies in place, Koppers is set to continue its progress in the coming years.
InvestingPro Insights
Koppers Holdings Inc. (NYSE: KOP) has shown resilience in its second-quarter earnings for 2024, and a closer look at the InvestingPro data and tips provides further insights into the company's financial health and stock performance.
InvestingPro Data:
- The company's market capitalization stands at $757.69 million, reflecting its size within the industry.
- With a P/E ratio of 9.76, Koppers is trading at a valuation that aligns with its earnings, which is particularly notable given the company's profitability over the last twelve months.
- The revenue growth for the last twelve months as of Q1 2024 was 5.1%, indicating a moderate increase in sales, while the company's gross profit margin remained at a healthy 19.48%.
InvestingPro Tips:
- Koppers has been actively buying back shares, a sign that management is confident in the company's future and believes the stock is undervalued.
- Analysts predict that Koppers will be profitable this year, which aligns with the company's robust adjusted EBITDA figures and its maintained full-year guidance.
These metrics and insights suggest that Koppers is managing its resources effectively and has a positive outlook from analysts. The share buyback program and the anticipated profitability could be seen as encouraging signs for investors, especially when considering the company's strategic growth initiatives and its expansion into the lithium-ion battery market with its Nyborg plant.
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Full transcript - Koppers Holdings Inc (KOP) Q2 2024:
Operator: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Koppers Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] Following the presentation, instructions will be given for the question-and-answer session. Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Ms. Quynh McGuire. Please go ahead, ma'am.
Quynh McGuire: Thanks and good morning. I'm Quynh McGuire, Vice President of Investor Relations. Welcome to our second quarter 2024 earnings conference call. We issued our press release earlier today. You may access it via our website at www.koppers.com. As indicated in our announcement, we have also posted materials to the Investor Relations page of our website that will be referenced in today's call. Consistent with our practice in prior quarterly conference calls, this is being broadcast live on our website and a recording of this call will be available on our website for replay through November 8, 2024. At this time, I would like to direct your attention to our forward-looking disclosure statement seen on Slide 2. Certain comments made on this conference call may be characterized as forward-looking statements as defined under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements involve a number of assumptions, risks and uncertainties, including risks described in the cautionary statement included in our press release and in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. In light of the significant uncertainties inherent in the forward-looking statements included in the company's comments, you should not regard the inclusion of such information as a representation that its objectives, plans and projected results will be achieved. The company's actual results, performance or achievements may differ materially from those expressed in or implied by such forward-looking statements. The company assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements made during this call. References may also be made today to certain non-GAAP financial measures. The press release, which is available on our website, also contains reconciliations of non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures. Joining me for our call today are Leroy Ball, Chief Executive Officer of Koppers; and Jimmi Sue Smith, Chief Financial Officer. I'll now turn the call over to Leroy.
Leroy Ball: Thank you, Quynh. Good morning, everyone from beautiful Denmark. The Koppers team finds themself doing this call from the city of Nyborg in Denmark, which is the site of one of our three strategically situated Carbon Materials and Chemicals plants, and where we recently conducted our board meeting, which included visiting our plant and spending time with our employees at the site. We have a great team in Europe, led by Christian Nielsen and Dr. Steve Crimp. Christian and his team were able to show our board the recently commissioned enhanced carbon products plant that will enable us to improve our throughput of higher value carbon products, while also opening up new and exciting market opportunities. In addition, Steve and his team were also able to show off the new European Performance Chemicals lab and pilot plant and review our opportunities for growing the PC business in Europe. It was a very productive week and my thanks go out to the entire team here in Europe for their hospitality and engagement. Now, as Quynh mentioned, joining me on this call today, as usual, is our CFO, Jimmi Sue Smith, but I also have our President and Chief Operating Officer, Jim Sullivan, who will be joining Jimmi Sue and I for the question-and-answer session. I'm pleased to share the results of our very successful second quarter coming on the heels of our prior report that outlines some of the early challenges that we were facing in 2024. Now, while some of those market challenges still persist, we dove headfirst into focusing on the things that we could control with cost being the largest element. The result was a new high in quarterly EBITDA and hopefully renewed confidence from the market that we remain on track to meeting our near-term goals for 2024 and 2025. So as a start, let's begin on Slide 4, by looking at some of our key metrics for the quarter. Consolidated sales were $563.2 million, which was off by $14 million compared with $577.2 in the prior year quarter. Now we added a modest amount of sales during the quarter from our Brown Wood acquisition, some of which were offset by PC chemical sales to Brown being classified now as intercompany and also lower pricing and volume in the CM&C business which drove the consolidated sales comparison lower. Now, even on lower sales, we were able to generate adjusted EBITDA of $77.5 million, a new high compared with $70.3 million in the prior year. Adjusted EBITDA margin was 13.8% versus 12.2% in the prior year. 13.8% represents our quarterly high margin mark since quarter two of 2021 and is a meaningful improvement over where we've been tracking. Second quarter diluted earnings per share was $1.25 compared with $1.15 in the prior year quarter, while adjusted earnings per share for the quarter were $1.36 compared with $1.26 in the prior year quarter. Q2 also represented a strong cash flow quarter as operating cash flow doubled our Q2 2023 number. The Koppers team has done a nice job over the past 18 months of understanding the connection and power of turning earnings into cash and continues to make it a focus of the everyday work. All three business segments showed significant sequential improvement in the second quarter, pushing consolidated results to new heights. Performance Chemicals delivered the most improvement as demand for our residential wood treatment preservatives continued to be resilient despite some unfavorable industry trends. In addition, cost reduction measures across the board help to offset current market conditions and keep us on track for a strong 2024. Now let's take a look at our continuing Zero Harm efforts on Slide 6. Zero Harm 2.0 remains our primary focus, reenergizing engagement at the front line of operations to accelerate our progress towards zero incidents. For the first half of 2024, 28 out of 47 facilities worldwide performed accident free. We have two business units right here in Europe, our CMC and Performance Chemicals businesses that had zero recordables year-to-date compared to the prior year leading activities year-to-date through June 30 have experienced a 2% decline, while our recordable injury rate was lowered by 6% and serious safety incidents improved by 22%. Now, we're encouraged by these metrics and we give credit to our team members worldwide. As always, we'll continue to strengthen our Zero Harm culture through focusing on the health and safety of our people. Now, with an overview of second quarter financials is our Chief Financial Officer, Jimmi Sue Smith.
Jimmi Sue Smith: Thanks Leroy. This morning we issued a press release detailing our second quarter 2024 results, which include our recent acquisition of Brown Wood Preserving Company. My comments today are based on that information. On Slide 8 as Leroy mentioned, second quarter sales were down $14 million, or 2.4% from the prior year. By segment, rep sales increased $20 million or 8.3%. PC sales decreased $4 million or 2.2%, while CM&C sales decreased $30 million or 18.2% from the prior year quarter. On Slide 9, adjusted EBITDA was a quarterly record $78 million, resulting in a 13.8% margin. By segment, RUPS generated adjusted EBITDA of $22 million with an 8.8% margin. PC delivered adjusted EBITDA of $44 million, a 25% margin and CM&C reported adjusted EBITDA of $11 million with an 8.2% margin. On Slide 10, our RUPS business achieved record sales for the quarter of $254 million compared to $234 million in the prior year. Price increases added $12.7 million, mainly on crossties. And crosstie and utility pole volumes were higher by $9.4 million. We also saw lower activity during the quarter in our crosstie recovery business. From a market trend perspective, prices for untreated crossties remain relatively stable. And compared to the prior year quarter, crosstie procurement was down by 10% and crosstie treatment was lower by 2%. Adjusted EBITDA for RUPS was consistent with the prior year at $22 million. Profitability was flat, despite realizing sales price increases, a $4 million benefit from improved plant utilization and higher crosstie and utility pole volumes as these gains were offset by approximately $14 million of higher raw material, operating and SG&A expenses along with lower activity in our crosstie recovery business. On Slide 11, our Performance Chemicals business delivered second quarter sales of $177 million, compared to $181 million in the prior year quarter. The sales decline was driven by a $3.5 million decrease in sales volumes in the Americas, primarily due to preservative sales to Brown Wood now being intercompany sales, along with pricing decreases globally. This was partly offset by higher volumes in Australasia. Adjusted EBITDA for PC was $44 million for the quarter, compared with $32 million in the prior year quarter. Profitability was higher as a result of lower raw material costs, offsetting lower sales prices and volumes. The reduced costs were favorably impacted by timing, including net gains realized from our copper hedging program, net of the higher copper costs recognized in cost of goods sold to-date. We see this when copper prices spike quickly as happened in the second quarter, and we will see the impact of the cost of goods sold in a later period. We continue to believe our normalized margins are in the high teens as we have seen over the last 18 months. On Slide 12, our Carbon Materials and Chemicals business reported second quarter sales of $132 million, compared to $162 million in the prior year quarter on reduced market demand, especially in Europe, where sales were down $22 million on equal parts pricing and volumes, especially for carbon pitch. Globally, prices were down approximately $25 million for the quarter. These decreases were partly offset by higher volumes for phthalic anhydride and carbon black feedstock. Adjusted EBITDA for CM&C in the second quarter was $11 million compared with $16 million in the prior year quarter. As a result of lower prices globally and lower volumes in Europe. These decreases were partly offset by $16 million in lower raw material costs, particularly in Europe and higher volumes of phthalic anhydride. Sequentially, the average pricing of major products was 3% lower and average coal tar costs were flat. Compared to the prior year quarter the average pricing of major products declined by 17%, while average coal tar cost decreased by 21%. Slide 14 details capital allocation for the quarter. For 2024 net capital expenditures were $42 million through June 30 with a full year forecast of $80 million to $85 million. We allocated $32 million to share repurchases year to date, all during the second quarter when our share price fell sharply. While we remain committed to a balanced capital allocation approach, this is an example of us being more aggressive with buybacks when we feel there’s a dislocation in the share price. Further buybacks for the remainder of this year, if any, will depend on cash flows and stock performance during our open window periods. We have $22 million remaining on our existing authorization. We also returned capital to shareholders through quarterly dividend of $0.07 per share this quarter, and we continue to focus on reducing our net leverage. We ended the quarter with $943 million in net debt, up $100 million for the Brown Wood acquisition and $325 million of available borrowings. As we had forecasted, our net leverage ratio increased as a result of Brown Wood and our normal quarterly cycle to 3.7x at June 30, 2024. We continue to be confident in our ability to grow earnings and generate cash and anticipate exiting the year with the net leverage in the low 3s. We remain committed to our long-term target of 2x to 3x times. Slide 15 shows we spent $42 million net or $43 million gross on capital expenditures through the second quarter. By category, $25 million was for maintenance, slightly under $3 million for zero harm, and nearly $16 million for growth and productivity initiatives. By business segment we spent $21 million on RUPS, $6 million on PC, $13 million on CM&C, and $3 million on corporate projects. As seen on Slide 17, we announced earlier today, our Board of Directors declared a quarterly cash dividend of $0.07 per share of Koppers common stock. This dividend will be payable on September 16 to shareholders of record as of the close of trading on August 30. At this planned quarterly dividend, subject to review by the Board of Directors, the annual dividend will be $0.28 per share for 2024, a 17% increase over the 2023 dividend. And with that, I’ll turn it back over to Leroy.
Leroy Ball: Thank you, Jimmi Sue. Now let’s take a look at some notable happenings from the second quarter. So, as I mentioned earlier, we’re broadcasting from our CM&C facility in Nyborg, Denmark, as seen on Slide 19. And the reason we brought our Board to Nyborg was to show off the $27 million enhanced carbon products production facility that we completed late last year. This is the unit of operation that upgrades distillate that would otherwise go into the carbon black feedstock market and instead turns it into a high quality anode or impregnation pitch for which we’re able to sell at higher prices than the alternative product I mentioned earlier, carbon black feedstock. This is also the facility that can produce a high quality coating for the lithium ion battery market, which we remain cautiously optimistic about and could hold the key to reducing the volatility we see in this segment from time to time. Now, we also built a lab for our European performance chemicals business here at Nyborg and are looking for other ways to take advantage of the synergy of having a concentration of very talented people here at this site on a day to day basis. Speaking of day to day, our base business at Nyborg is distilling coal tar into critical products that serve many important product and geographic markets, where we utilize the competitive advantage of our strategically situated harbor to move products to our customer base. Slide 20 features our recently issued corporate sustainability report for 2023, which outlines our achievements as they relate to our values of people, planet and performance. Highlights from the 2023 CSR include achieving our goal of a 50% reduction in Scope 1 and Scope 2 emissions against our 2007 baseline seven years ahead of schedule, improved safety performance by achieving total recordable injury rate of 2.73, which is our lowest rate since 2018. We introduced a new patented wood treatment product, MicroPro XPS, representing a breakthrough application for this key market. Newsweek named Koppers to its listing of America’s Most Responsible Companies for the four straight year and USA Today named Koppers to its listing of America’s Climate Leaders for the second straight year. As always, my deepest gratitude goes to our team members across the globe for their commitment to operating sustainably, and this dedication will help us to continually improve our overall performance going forward. Slide 21 shows our team members volunteering in support of Koppers preserving the Earth campaign. From Earth Day on April 22 through World Environment Day on June 5, employees from our locations across the world pursued activities supporting the environment in ways that demonstrate protecting the planet, which is one of our core values. Our appreciation goes out to all of our eco ambassadors for keeping our world beautiful today and for future generations. So now on to a review of each of the businesses, and I’ll start with performance chemicals on Page 23. The second quarter played out almost as the first, as volumes finished flat compared to Q2 2023 while a focus on costs carried the day. After years of steady growth, repair and remodeling expenditures have seen their unsustainable pace slow over the past couple of years. Repair and remodeling expenditures moved into negative territory in Q1 of this year, and while that trend is expected to continue for the next several quarters, it appears that the year-over-year decline will hit a trough by the end of this year before beginning to improve in 2025. Now, despite that, and with existing home sales remaining in a slump, our residential chemical volumes continue to hang in at levels similar to prior year, and we don’t see that subsiding in the back half of this year. On top of that, we should get a little boost from some friendly treater consolidation that will add some incremental volumes, while industrial volumes also are expected to contribute slightly. The new grinding capacity that came online in Q2 is already contributing to cost savings through faster cycle times, and we’ve pulled back on spending and all but the most necessary areas in order to help pick up the slack for our struggling CM&C segment. As a result, we’re upping our estimate of full year EBITDA improvement for our PC segment to a range of $12 million to $16 million. Moving on to our utility and industrial products business shown on Page 24. We closed on the Brown acquisition in April and are well into the integration process. Operationally, things are going good and we’re already beginning to realize some of our identified synergies. Sales are starting to build some momentum after working through some early transition challenges, and we’re happy to have the additional capacity and operational flexibility that the Brown acquisition brings. As for our Texas market entry, just six months in, we’re already tracking towards 40% achievement of our long-term market penetration goal, so we are making good progress on that front. As projected on our Q1 call, our legacy business experienced a little pullback from last year’s Q2, as certain of our customers work through destocking and project delays or deferrals. But outside of a handful of customers, the rest of the market remains solid and growing. During the quarter, we also gained a little bit of price while also improving our cost profile by bringing more drying capacity online and pulling back on operating costs to align with lower Q2 volumes. On another bright note, our Australian pull business had its most profitable quarter since 2014 as that business continues to perform well and we remain extremely pleased with our growing footprint in the UIP space and believe the future continues to look very bright. Our railroad products and services business is summarized on Page 25. While we still haven’t resolved all of our issues on the customer front, as mentioned on our May call, we have taken various steps to change our approach, which is already paying some dividends. Through June, we’ve increased price by $17 million, which has helped to offset some but not all cost increases. Sales volumes for the quarter were up ever so slightly at 1% and now we expect to finish the year flat from a volume standpoint, as we did have a customer pullback after some initial projections earlier this year had us in an overall 5% growth rate. Our commercial business remains a bright spot as the backlog and profitability remain very strong. One positive on the sales front is that we’ve had a few customers indicate that in Q4 of this year they will discontinue purchases of dull treated creosote borate crossties and revert back to a higher retention creosote product. While our rail business is agnostic to the change, this is a positive for our CMC business as we will treat with more creosote for the railroads making that switch. On the cost side of the ledger, we reduced our boltonizing in Q2 to the lowest level since Q1 of 2022, which increases our asset efficiency. And we also began implementing $4 million to $7 million of cost reductions to address the fact that we were continuing to incur millions of dollars of cost to serve certain customers in ways that they wanted but were reluctant to pay for. Now some of those savings began being realized during Q2, with the lion’s share expected to occur over the back half of the year. Looking at our entire RUPS segment. We’ve trimmed the top end of our EBITDA guidance slightly and are now expecting $10 million to $15 million of improvement for the year. Finally, onto the CMC business, which is summarized on Page 26. While second quarter results for CMC were much improved over the first quarter, we still saw significantly lower pitch pricing and volumes compared to Q2 of 2023. Q3 of last year is when this business took its first step down, so our comps improved in the back half of this year, which will help as we’re still unable to see an improvement in the pitch markets through the balance of this year. Phthalic anhydride business had a second consecutive strong quarter as we continued to catch a windfall from other production struggles in the industry. While we originally thought we could see that benefit subside by the end of Q2, it looks like we might be able to enjoy it for at least another quarter. Our Stickney plant operating performance was better in Q2 when we began realizing some of our raw material cost reductions, which has also helped. And like the other businesses, we’re taking a hard line on costs to help cover for the gaps brought on by some turbulent market conditions in the near term. Somewhat specific to CMC, we’ve also cut back planned capital expenditures for this year by $10 million as we evaluate our long-term operating strategy to see what we can do to not only boost profitability, but get back to a positive free cash flow position for this business. With all the noise that remains in this business, we’re reducing our guidance for this segment to a year-over-year decline of $7 million to $13 million. Now, bringing it all together with the usual puts and takes, I feel confident in reaffirming our full year guidance now that the first half of the year is in the books. Although 2024 has been challenging from a market perspective across most of our businesses, our global team has done a great job of managing the controllables and we’ve been able to deliver favorable results despite some tough near-term dynamics. The fact that we’re performing at the level we are in the current environment gives me confidence that as markets turn in our favor, which they will, the upside for us is significant. On Slide 28, we’re adjusting consolidated sales growth to now be flat year-over-year. RUPS sales overall are now projected to see $60 million in top-line increase. PC sales are forecasted to be flat year-over-year and CM&C sales are estimated to decrease by $60 million due primarily to price and volume decline in carbon pitch, much of which we’ve already experienced, partially offset by volume increases in phthalic anhydride. And overall, our sales forecast for 2024 is approximately $2.15 billion, which would be similar to 2023. On Slide 29, we’re maintaining our forecast for adjusted EBITDA, which is expected to still be in a range of $265 million to $280 million, with some modest shifts in how we see the magnitude of change year-over-year. On Slide 30, you see our adjusted earnings per share bridge, where we continue to expect a strong contribution from operations offset somewhat by depreciation and amortization and interest expense. For 2024, we’re maintaining our previously communicated guidance of $4.10 to $4.60 with the upper end representing a new high for Koppers. On Slide 31, we’re further tightening our capital spending estimate to a range of $80 million to $85 million in 2024, compared with $116 million in 2023 on a net basis. Spending on maintenance and Zero Harm is estimated to be at $58 million, with approximately $22 million to $27 million dedicated to our growth and productivity projects. Jimmi Sue referred to reallocating capital to share repurchases when we saw the overreaction to our first quarter results, and we’ll continue to do that as our belief in our long-term earnings potential has not wavered even in the face of the short-term blips we may see in results from time to time. We’re continuing to target operating cash flow of $150 million for this year, and priority uses of cash also include our dividend share repurchases, growth capital, and terminating our defined benefit pension plans. We’re still preparing for the termination of our U.S. pension plan, which would result in a top up contribution of approximately $25 million, with the majority of that now expected to occur in the first quarter of 2025. Slide 32 shows the path to our goal of $315 million to $325 million in adjusted EBITDA by 2025, which I believe is still very achievable. There’s a material portion of the projected improvement over this year that’s in our own hands relative to cost reductions and incremental business that we know we have coming online in 2025 that give me confidence in getting to our initial goal of $300 million and general recovery in the CM&C business and where we end up on PC contract renewals remain the biggest risk to making up the remaining difference in getting us to the $315 million to $325 million range. We may have more to share when we report out our Q3 results in November, but as I sit here today, I feel great about the progress we’ve made and where we are overall as a company and the promise the future holds for Koppers. So at this point, Jimmi Sue, Jim and I will be happy to take any questions you have.
Operator: We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] And the first question will come from Liam Burke with B. Riley FBR. Please go ahead.
Liam Burke: Thank you. Hi, Leroy, Jimmi Sue, Jim, how are you doing?
Leroy Ball: Yes, good, Liam. How are you doing?
Jimmi Sue Smith: Thank you.
Liam Burke: Good, thank you. Could we talk a little bit more about the residential piece of performance chemical, your prepared comments, you said there’s resilience there, but then you said that sales were declining but looked like they were troughing. Was that on a pricing or a volume basis or both?
Leroy Ball: Yes, sorry, Liam, I think maybe my comments got confused. When I was talking about the reduction in troughing, I was really referring to the repair and remodeling expenditures. So we look at the leading indicator remodeling activity and we track that, and that has shown a decline year-over-year in repair remodeling spending right at large. That’s been occurring really since the beginning of this year and they’re projecting that year-over-year decline to continue through the middle of next year, but to really trough out at the end of this year. And from our business standpoint, we actually have seen flat volumes this year despite that overall, if you will, headwind that the repair and remodeling market has seen overall. And so that’s what I was really referring to. Our business has remained, has hung in there through some macro indicators that might indicate that we wouldn’t be doing as well as we are.
Liam Burke: Great. Okay. That helps a great deal. Thank you. And if we’re looking at RUP, you had nice sequential step up in EBITDA margins. Can we expect that to continue? You laid out a number of initiatives, plus when you add in the integration of Brown Wood and some operational efficiencies, can we expect that sequential step up in the second half of the year?
Leroy Ball: I do expect that our margins in that segment will continue to improve. Now we deal with some seasonality, right. So I would certainly expect some improvement in the third quarter as we realize some of the savings from the cost reduction projects that we have. As we have some additional business that comes online, I would expect to see some margin improvement there as well. Fourth quarter, I think overall, comparably to Q4 of 2023, we’ll absolutely see margin improvement. And again, our overall objective is to get that segment up into the double-digit margin territory. We believe we have a plan in place to get there. So you should expect to see continued improvement in margins in that business.
Liam Burke: Great. Thank you, Leroy.
Leroy Ball: You’re welcome, Liam.
Operator: And our last question for today will come from Gary Prestopino with Barrington Research. Please go ahead.
Gary Prestopino: Hey, good morning, all.
Leroy Ball: Hi, Gary.
Gary Prestopino: The – Leroy, the RUPS segment where you’re starting to go back to your customers and say, we’re not doing what we used to do for you gratis [ph]. What’s been the reaction there? And has this led to any of them coming back to the table and wanting to negotiate further?
Jim Sullivan: So this is Jim. So the reaction has been – when we first told them that obviously, they weren’t too happy because we were doing stuff for them for free, but we explained the status of the business. We explained that a lot of these smaller things that were not getting paid for, they understood, and that’s something that they were, for the most part, willing to help us out on. So I wouldn’t say there’s been any real negative pushback. We have one – we have sort of a little bit of a bigger issue with one particular customer. But other than that, it’s been pretty good. And that’s the area, of course, that we’ve had to look for cost savings in the R part of the RUPS business.
Gary Prestopino: Was there any impact from this, from what you’re doing in Q2? Obviously, the adjusted EBITDA was flat. Or could we expect that to start trending better going forward?
Jim Sullivan: Yes. So we just got this going in Q2. I didn’t really think there was much of an impact in Q2. So we’re going to start seeing some benefits in Q3 and Q4.
Gary Prestopino: Okay. Thank you very much.
Leroy Ball: You’re welcome.
Operator: This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to the CEO, Mr. Leroy Brown, excuse me, Leroy Ball, for any closing remarks. Please go ahead, Mr. Ball.
Leroy Ball: Okay. I want to thank everyone for participating in today’s call and for your continued interest and confidence in Koppers.
Operator: The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today’s presentation. You may now disconnect.
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