Illumin Holdings Inc. (ILLM) reported a 17% year-over-year increase in revenue for Q1 2025, reaching $29.1 million, continuing its strong growth trajectory with an 11.14% revenue increase over the last twelve months. Despite this growth, the company faced a net loss of $1.9 million, a widening from the $1.1 million loss in the same quarter last year. The stock saw a modest increase of 3.63%, closing at $2.07. According to InvestingPro analysis, the stock currently appears undervalued, with analysts setting price targets between $2.16 and $2.69.
Key Takeaways
- Revenue for Q1 2025 increased by 17% year-over-year.
- The company reported a net loss of $1.9 million, compared to a $1.1 million loss last year.
- Illumin Holdings is launching an AI Forecasting tool in Q2.
- The stock price increased by 3.63% in the latest trading session.
- The company is focusing on acquiring "challenger brands" amid macroeconomic uncertainty.
Company Performance
Illumin Holdings’ performance in Q1 2025 showed significant revenue growth, driven by increased client acquisition and platform enhancements. The company added 18 net new self-service clients and increased the average revenue per client by 30%, excluding one large client. Despite the revenue growth, the company’s gross margin decreased to 45% from 47% a year ago, and it reported an adjusted EBITDA loss of $400,000.
Financial Highlights
- Revenue: $29.1 million, up 17% year-over-year
- Gross Profit: $13.1 million, up 13% year-over-year
- Gross Margin: 45%, down from 47% last year
- Net Loss: $1.9 million, compared to a $1.1 million loss last year
- Cash Position: $54 million
- Adjusted EBITDA Loss: $400,000
Outlook & Guidance
Illumin Holdings is optimistic about the upcoming quarters, expecting more profitable results in Q3 and Q4. The company plans to continue investing in platform enhancements, brand development, and sales capabilities. While InvestingPro analysis indicates the company’s overall financial health score is GOOD at 2.51, analysts project a challenging year ahead with negative EPS forecasts for FY2025. For detailed insights and access to the comprehensive Pro Research Report covering Illumin Holdings and 1,400+ other stocks, consider an InvestingPro subscription. Additionally, Illumin is exploring M&A opportunities in the self-service and technology sectors, aiming for organic growth and operational efficiency. The launch of the AI Forecasting tool is anticipated to attract new customers.
Executive Commentary
CEO Simon Carons emphasized the company’s focus on product development and sales strategies, stating, "We are gonna determine our success here this year largely based on entirely our work, our product development, our sales and marketing strategies." He also highlighted the potential of the AI Forecaster to attract new clients, saying, "We think AI Forecaster can bring us new customers."
Risks and Challenges
- Macroeconomic uncertainty continues to affect marketing spend.
- The company faces pressure to maintain its gross margin amid rising costs.
- Competition in the advertising technology sector remains intense.
- The success of new product launches, such as the AI Forecasting tool, is uncertain.
- Potential challenges in executing M&A strategies effectively.
Q&A
During the earnings call, analysts inquired about the impact of macroeconomic conditions on the company’s performance. CEO Simon Carons expressed confidence in the AI Forecaster as a tool for customer acquisition and discussed ongoing evaluations of M&A opportunities in the self-service and technology sectors.
Full transcript - illumin Holdings Inc (ILLM) Q1 2025:
Steve, Moderator/Operator: Good morning, everyone. Before we begin the official remarks, I will read the cautionary note regarding forward looking information. Certain information to be discussed during this call contains forward looking statements within the meaning of applicable security laws, including, among others, statements concerning the company’s objectives, the company’s strategy to achieve those objectives, as well as statements with respect to management’s beliefs, plans, estimates and intentions and similar statements concerning anticipated future events, results, circumstances, performance, or expectations that are not historical facts. Such forward looking statements reflect management’s current beliefs and are based on information currently available to management and is subject to a number of significant risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those anticipated. Please refer to the cautionary statement and the risk factors identified in our filings with SEDAR for a more detailed explanation of the inherent risks and uncertainties that could affect such forward looking statements.
Following the presentation, we will conduct a Q and A session. I would now like to turn the conference call over to Simon Carons, Chief Executive Officer.
Simon Carons, Chief Executive Officer, Illumin Holdings: Thank you, Steve. Welcome, everyone, and thank you for joining us for today’s first quarter twenty twenty five earnings call. I’ll begin by reviewing some of the highlights from our quarterly results, where we posted 17% revenue growth, supported by 148% revenue growth, in our recently reinvigorated Exchange Services line. I’ll also discuss our improving marketing and sales initiatives. As our quarter started slower than we targeted, we adjusted our marketing and selling tactics on a week to week basis, and by the time we exited the quarter, these initiatives had successfully contributed to our growth in Q1.
Those adjustments primarily showed up in progress we made in self-service, such as onboarding new customers, as well as increased customer adoption and self-service spend performance. I will also highlight advancements we made in our platform, noting that we are on track to launch our AI forecasting tool in Q2. Then, I’ll turn the call over to our Chief Financial Officer, Elliot Mushnik, who will review the highlights of our first quarter financial and operating results. After that, we’ll be happy to take your questions. In the first quarter, we had strong year over year revenue growth of 17%.
This improvement was driven primarily by exceptional growth in our Exchange Services segment, as well as increased customer adoption and spend performance in our self-service line. While we did experience some softness, especially in managed services, the strength of our Exchange service and the better resilience of our self-service clearly highlights the success of our targeted investments in our platform. Managed service, by its very nature and spend profile, is more responsive to market conditions. We are encouraged to see that the increased momentum in managed service in the latter half of Q1 continue into Q2, reflecting continued demand and continued interest. At the core of our strategy is a commitment to supporting our customers in a flexible way as opposed to forcing them into one product or to commit to contracts with enterprise level minimums.
We’ve seen that our customers are responding very positively to that customer centric approach. We’re maintaining this customer centric approach that we launched in the second half of twenty twenty four across every touchpoint, ensuring we’re delivering real value and meaningful outcomes for our clients. This approach was reflected in our ability to add new self-service clients during the quarter. In Q1, we onboarded 18 net new self-service clients, which is in line with our goal of adding new, higher spend clients in this specific growth area. While self-service revenue showed modest growth year over year, this business also exhibited several solid underlying trends such as increased customer adoption and conversion.
This includes improved average revenue per customer, largely due to our customers finding more value in new features we launched in the latter part of last year, such as Programmatic Guarantee, or PG, and are consistently improving support for Connected TV or CTV. This was also driven by enhancements we’ve made to the platform including our integration with walled gardens like Meta, resulting in better customer stickiness. Our integration with Meta bolsters our ability to drive greater campaign performance across both open web as well as through walled gardens, which in turn drives better overall conversion for that customer with much less effort in comparison to using multiple traditional single channel campaign planning tools. In addition to these platform enhancements, we are also extending our platform support to deal types such as programmatic guarantee, or PG, with CTV channels. We are also preparing to launch our new forecasting tool in Q2, which will add tremendous value to several channels including CTV.
And when coupled with more automated reporting and our PG support for CTV, collectively positions our self-service product as a very compelling offering to challenger brands and agencies alike. It is important to note that our AI powered forecasting tool has typically been reserved for only large clients with significant budgets and only from premium vendors. Our launch of our forecasting tool democratizes this premium solution previously only accessible to marquee clients or those with large budgets. With Illumin’s AI Forecaster, we are delivering equal or better forecasting insights and making that tooling available in a flexible way to any Lumen customer, all without forcing them to commit upfront to massive minimums. Based on initial feedback, we believe that our flexible approach to this premium feature may accelerate trends we are already seeing where more up level, premium brands are searching for flexibility in their DSP partners, and AI Forecaster makes Illumin a very viable option.
We also continue to focus on driving adoption and scaling growth through targeted marketing and sales efforts. Our efforts to market and sell more effectively and efficiently continue to yield initial positive results. First, it’s helping us advance our Lumen self-service roadmap, as I noted earlier. What also helps us is our ability to offer our clients solutions ranging from self-service, managed campaigns, and Exchange service, or a hybrid approach if that is what is best for their needs. We continue to invest in our Lumen self-service platform and Exchange service offering, but as a result, our adjusted EBITDA declined slightly during the quarter despite higher revenues, reflecting these investments.
While we continue to make these strategic investments in product stickiness, sales and marketing to position us for long term growth, We are also balancing this with a focus on maintaining liquidity and improving operational efficiencies throughout our business. This emphasis on operational discipline continues to be a priority as we look to grow our adjusted EBITDA while preserving our substantial net cash position, which was $54,000,000 at the quarter end. To give a brief recap: Our strong growth in the first quarter was the culmination of actions we initiated in the latter part of last year to expand revenue, improve efficiencies throughout the company, and to build a strong infrastructure, processes and tactics for sustainable, long term growth. Even in areas where we saw modest revenue growth, such as self-service, we are continuing to see patterns of customer adoption, stickiness and spend performance that validates our focus on these initiatives. And while we don’t necessarily like today’s challenging market conditions, we are pleased with the fact that we now have a messaging, product and selling flexibility to pivot and adjust in real time in this environment and still deliver on growth.
Going forward, I believe there is still considerable room for us to improve our marketing, selling and product strategies. Further investments, including and especially relaunching our brand, will be a priority for us during 2025. Another priority will be our team and how to utilize a more solution centric approach versus a product approach when we sell to larger, higher spend clients, turning us from vendors into key partners for them, as well as removing any friction that remains in how we execute on any and every sale. Complementing this, we will continue to balance these efforts with an eye on ensuring we have ample liquidity to support our continued growth, as well as to explore other opportunities to increase our growth trajectory. Lastly, I want to note that our team clearly recognizes the current economic uncertainty that we are all facing related to tariffs and inflation.
While we can’t control the economy, we can focus on what we can control. Our shifting to more upward brands with bigger spend habits has helped us in Q1, as these challenger brands have more durability when it comes to market fluctuations. With that in mind, we intend to continue leveraging our customer centric approach, which to date has served us well. For us, this continues to be the best course, is clearly working for us, and that has been demonstrated in our financial results the past few quarters. Taking that into account, we are really just getting warmed up, and we will keep updating you as to our continued progress.
For now, I’ll turn the call over to Elliot to give a detailed review of our financial results.
Elliot Mushnik, Chief Financial Officer, Illumin Holdings: Thank you, Simon. Good morning, everyone, and again, thank you for joining our first quarter twenty twenty five earnings call. Today, we reported our first quarter twenty twenty five results, which included a strong overall company revenue growth led by 148% year over year growth in our exchange service revenue. This was achieved despite persistent uncertainty in the larger geopolitical and macroeconomic environment. I will now provide additional details on our first quarter results.
The first quarter revenue was $29,100,000 up 17% compared to $25,000,000 in the first quarter of last year. And as I mentioned earlier, this year over year improvement reflects substantial growth in our Exchange Service segment. Specifically, our Exchange Service business grew 148% over year to 12,000,000, reflecting the addition of new customers, expanding our partnership with new suppliers, and investing in key technology enhancements to the platform as well as growing our customer support team. Experiencing measurable success in this area since the second half of last year has sharpened our focus and helped us concentrate more on this part of the business, leading to growth in this segment. As Simon noted, our self-service revenue increased 1% year over year, but we are pleased to have added 18 new customer relationships in the quarter while we continue to see increased average revenue per client.
This self-service growth was offset by a large client that reduced spending by $2,000,000 during the quarter due to their own specific circumstances, including undergoing a business restructuring. We expect that the new clients we added during the quarter will mainly offset this impact going forward as these customers ramp up their spend. Excluding this particular large client spend, our average spend per client increased 30% year over year. We continue to refine our focus of targeting customers with higher spend potential and a greater likelihood of benefiting from this unique attributes of our platform. Due to our increased focus and enhanced sales efforts as well as our investment in brand product management, we expect this underlying momentum to continue as we see further adoption and utilization of our self-service platform.
Turning to managed service. Revenue for this segment was $8,700,000 in the quarter compared to $11,800,000 in the prior year’s Q1. And based on our ongoing discussions with our customer, this year over year change was mainly indicative of the larger macroeconomic environment and the resultant reduction in some customers’ marketing spend until they gain greater clarity on the situation. Our clients continue to appreciate and value our broad service offering, and we see continued opportunity to deliver meaningful results for them as conditions improve over the long term. We are now seeing a higher level of activity that continued from the second half of Q1, and we are working to build on this momentum and overcome the slower start to the year.
Gross profit or net revenue for the first quarter was $13,100,000 up 13% compared to $11,600,000 in Q1 twenty twenty four. Reflecting this higher year sales year over year, gross profit or net revenue for the first quarter twenty twenty five was $13,100,000 up 13% compared to $11,600,000 in Q1 twenty twenty four, reflecting higher sales year over year. Gross margin for the quarter was 45% compared to 47% for the same period last year, which was driven by a change in our product mix with higher proportion of revenue in service lines with lower margins, such as exchange service. Total operating expenses for the first quarter of twenty twenty five were 15,700,000.0 compared to $14,300,000 during the same period in 2024. This year over year increase reflects predominantly higher sales and marketing expenses related to increased salaries and benefits as well as commission and bonus costs associated with the higher revenue we generated in the quarter.
Higher technology expenses related to increased variable hosting and data costs, which more than offset by a decrease in general and administrative expenses as we continue to monitor our overall expenses carefully. In the first quarter of this year, our operating expenses as a percentage of revenue were 54% compared to 57.2% in the first quarter of last year. The first quarter adjusted EBITDA loss was 400,000 compared to a breakeven in the prior year period. Despite the higher revenues, the decline was primarily attributable to higher operating costs as we had anticipated and mainly, again, due to sales and sales support expenses from building out our account management support team along with higher marketing costs that I discussed earlier. Net loss for the quarter was $1,900,000 compared to a net loss of $1,100,000 in the same period last year.
The year over year change reflects the higher operating costs previously discussed, a lower net foreign exchange gain compared to the prior period, which was again partially offset by the higher revenues. On 12/23/2024, the company commenced the new normal course issuer bid to purchase for cancellation up to 3,900,000.0 of our outstanding common shares. No repurchases were made under the 2024 facility in this quarter. This facility remains open and can continue until 12/22/2025, or until we reach our targeted repurchase limit. Now turning briefly to our balance sheet.
At the end of Q1, our cash position was $54,000,000 versus $56,000,000 as of the end of fiscal twenty twenty four. The quarter over quarter decrease was primarily attributable to investments in our platform, payments on leases, and was partially offset by positive cash from operations. We remain focused on shoring up our balance sheet. And in addition to being a constant source of strength, it also ensures we have the liquidity to support our continued growth. In addition, our strong balance sheet provides us considerable financial flexibility to explore strategic and increasingly attractive acquisition opportunities in order to expand our capabilities or to increase our growth prospects.
We believe that accretive growth opportunities in our space are becoming more available with more reasonable valuations. This will be an important focus for us in 2025. As of 03/31/2025, the total number of our outstanding common shares stood at 51,704,785, compared to 51,238,056 as of 12/31/2024. This figure includes the impact of a modest number of shares issued through the exercise of options and other vested equity instruments. On a fully diluted basis, our shares outstanding are approximately 57,500,000.0, and our insider share ownership is at just under 24% at 23.6.
In conclusion, during the first quarter, we delivered strong year over year total revenue growth, including exceptional revenue growth in our Exchange Service business, which in turn was driven by our recent investments in that area. This is consistent with what we said on our last earnings call that we expected to record higher expenses in the first half of the year, mainly from continued investment to enhance our product platform, strengthen brand identity, as well as for certain initiatives to increase our sales capacity, efficiency, and focus by our enhanced account management team. This team will be focused on increasing client satisfaction, retention, and incremental spend. Along those lines, we also said we would expect more profitable third and fourth quarters once those investments were largely completed. And this view has not changed, assuming that the short term headwinds we are experiencing related to tariffs and persistent macroeconomic uncertainty ease.
We continue to believe in our long term prospects and intend to remain focused on cost management and generating strong sustainable revenue growth. And with that, I’d like to turn the call back to Simon for his closing remarks.
Simon Carons, Chief Executive Officer, Illumin Holdings: Thank you, Elliot. In closing, we had a strong first quarter in terms of revenue growth. This was mainly led by outstanding growth in our Exchange Services business, which benefited from our targeting investments in this area. While growth in self-service was modest, we continued to see strong input trends into this business line including adding new Illumin self-service clients, increased customer adoption and conversion. Our results in managed service were less than we were targeting, but given the nature of their higher spend profile, it was not surprising that they were more subject to changing market conditions.
We expect these factors may continue to cause delays in marketing spend in the short term. To address this environment, we will remain highly tactical in our marketing and selling, shifting to where we see green shoots, all while keeping our focus on managing cost and improving operational efficiencies through our organization. At the same time, we will continue to focus on capitalizing on the longer view growth opportunities such as platform improvements in CTV so we position ourselves for long term success. Thank you all for your time today. This concludes our formal remarks.
We look forward to answering any questions you may have.
Steve, Moderator/Operator: Good morning, gentlemen, and thank you to everyone for attending this morning’s presentation of Illumin Holdings first quarter twenty twenty five financial and operating results. I would like to begin by reminding our analysts that in order to present your question, you must first select the raise your hand icon on your screen. Our first question comes from Daniel Rosenberg of Paradigm Capital. Daniel, please proceed with your question when you’re ready.
Daniel Rosenberg, Analyst, Paradigm Capital: Good morning, Simon and Elliot. Thanks for taking my question. First one comes around the macro environment. Obviously, changing and fluid one, but I I’m wondering given what we’ve seen in your numbers in exchange versus manage, like, how how directly impacted were you by tariffs if if you’re able to quantify or get some color around that?
Simon Carons, Chief Executive Officer, Illumin Holdings: From our point of view, we’re a small company.
Elliot Mushnik, Chief Financial Officer, Illumin Holdings: From point
Simon Carons, Chief Executive Officer, Illumin Holdings: of view, we have the opportunity to really, you know, drive our own performance. You know, I think it is a tougher environment out there, but we’re not using that as any sort of shield or excuse. We’re focused on winning customers across the board. We’ve set up an environment where all of our products should be able to win, but our our muscle strength is definitely strongest on self. We saw good to strong influx of new customers coming into self.
We saw a good strong flexing upwards in terms of spend on self managed, you know, I think there is from that point of view, that muscle’s less mature. I think if anything, those customers were more wary of just macro market conditions. But in terms of what we saw on the on the product side and the and the overall space, my personal opinion as CEO is is we are gonna determine our success here this year largely based on entirely our work, our product development, our sales and marketing strategies, and and not really factoring in or remanaging back on some sort of tariff economy.
Daniel Rosenberg, Analyst, Paradigm Capital: Dave, I appreciate that statement. And I guess the follow on would be or said differently, it would be if we were to see the tariff environment ease, could we see a reversal in some of the trends we saw this quarter from the managed accounts business?
Simon Carons, Chief Executive Officer, Illumin Holdings: What I see in terms of when I look at the core inputs so, I mean, even going down to the granular level. So, like, number of communications we’re getting inbound from customers, number of leads where customers are responding to, say, our marketing. When I look at stickiness on the platform where customers are experimenting with the product, when we launch new sellers, for example, who maybe come from other companies with books of business, Their time to ramp up to getting, you know, proposals out. All of those inputs are trending strongward and upward to the right in the way that they should be. And so when we look at the inputs, yeah, I mean, if there’s a malaise in the economy out there from our point of view, we are seeing good customer interest and we are pulling the sort of right levers to also earn that customer interest.
And so from our point of view, yeah, if if there’s a a spring back in the economy right now, you know, I I firmly believe we have been building the right product over the last year. And it certainly seems when I look at the core metrics on how we’re selling, how we’re differentiating ourselves, messaging we’re putting out there when we test stuff, it is responding. So, you know, like I said, we’re we’re gonna we’re gonna continue down the path. We like what we see in terms of the inputs. We we need to translate that into sales.
Right now, we’re that I mean, that’s where all of our effort is going. And if the economy springs back, then I think we’re well set up to capture that across all three product lines. You know, of note, we did invest in, you know, just just as a minor example, in exchange, we invested in improving the algorithm. We invested in, you know, trying to essentially differentiate the product in an extremely tight marketplace where differentiation is very, very hard. And we also layered in some additional sellers largely to capitalize on some of the trending we saw around exchange in q three and q four that that we previously discussed.
And and it won the day in q one. You know, we saw a solid hundred up a 48 points quarter on quarter on exchange. And so, again, like when I look at the process we’re going through, like, let’s test this, let’s invest in this to tune this. Let’s let’s flip over some new sellers. Let’s look at testing this different level of marketing.
If we launch this product or feature, is it gonna stick? It looks like our process of taking data, then making smarter decisions versus any decisions, not chasing after every shiny object, but instead, like, really listening to what the customer and how they want to be supported. Across the board, all those inputs are strongly indicating that there is interest in in where we’re going with the product lines. Tight economy for sure, but I think we’re well set up to win as it snaps back.
Daniel Rosenberg, Analyst, Paradigm Capital: Okay. Good to hear. And I guess on that topic of product, your AI tool for forecasting, you you mentioned it’s gonna be to kind of launch. So I’m wondering how you think about, you know, obviously, there’s value add to your end customer, is this kind of a new way to engage customers and start a discussion with new clients? And or will it be consistent with the sales pipeline and versus versus another value add, another lever to kinda keep retention high and increase spending per account?
Simon Carons, Chief Executive Officer, Illumin Holdings: So it’s a really good question and and really two answers for you. So when I think about AI Forecaster and new customers, I think that it is a strong driver to bring in new customers. One of the things we’ve been experimenting with is how do we reach out, connect, then land and help succeed higher spending customers, you know, sort of get into a higher spend range. And that, you know, what we’ve done so far seems to be resonating. I think we’ve got a lot of work to do there.
I think we’re we’re still, like, really in the infant stages and and I wanna actually get us up to a much larger level of spend quickly. And in in order to sort of validate that aside from the, like, you know, the usual attractors around, say, LumenSelf is we do need some key features. And one of those absolutely critical features is an AI forecaster. This is a tool that is typically reserved. You know, it is available elsewhere, but it is typically reserved for, you know, large upfront contracts and big commitments.
And so when we talk to these brands, these challenger brands are like, hey, if you had Forecaster, we might flip you some of our business or we might switch all of our business, especially if we don’t have to be beholden in tight times to, you know, a 5,000,000, 6 million, 4 million dollar upfront commitment. And so from our point of view, we think we know we have the right tech. We know we we’re we’re building a solid platform, which in the end, I’ll get to that in half a sec. But we think that AI Forecaster can bring us in new customers because when they look at sort of what they need to be successful, we’ve got the right AI AI. We’ve got the right UX.
We’ve got the right support team. We’ve got the right track record that they’ve used to validate us. We’ve got the right channel support. You know, can you really help us sort of manage our, you know, our our cash flow and our commitment budget on a week to week and a month to month basis? And AI Forecaster does, you know, put us in that game first and foremost, but puts us in that game in a way that’s much more customer centric.
It doesn’t commitment to that big spend. So we think that’s gonna bring us new customers. As for performance on, you know, the newly sort of, you know, coming into Illumina, especially Lumen self, but also Lumen manage related to their spend performance and the stickiness in the platform. Again, like arrows are up into the right in terms of stickiness. But again, we think that AI Forecaster will also help them because in the end, when you really wanna be successful out there in the world, you’re gonna need a few key tools in your quiver, and AI Forecaster is one of them.
And and we’re proud to bring it to them in a in a way that we think is is definitely gonna be beneficial. So I think it’s it’s two sided win. And then, like, my last note on AI Forecaster is it it is essential to me as CEO, and I think it’s to the company in the long term as it builds value for itself and for customers and for shareholders, that we do build a robust tech platform where we can start to really create that delta between revenue growth and, you know, operating expense. And so a key to that is longevity and performance of customers who are already on the platform. They come at a lower customer acquisition cost.
They have a higher spend performance based on our history. So how do we maximize that? An AI forecaster plays a tool in really sort of building up that alphabet that’s really gonna land them and keep them and hold on to them and help them succeed with us. And we think that that long term ability to drive that stickiness is is another benefit that we can get from AI Forecaster. Hope that helps.
Hope that helps.
Daniel Rosenberg, Analyst, Paradigm Capital: Okay. Yes. Thank you. I guess, lastly, me, if I could squeeze one more in. You know, the cash position has been on the balance sheet for a while, and you’ve touched on m and a in your comments.
I was just wondering if you speak to the environment that you’re seeing, like, what the discussions you’re having. Have there been, you know, any opportunities that you’ve looked at and whether, you know, valuations have shown you’re showing in the conversations you’re having.
Simon Carons, Chief Executive Officer, Illumin Holdings: Yeah. Actually, again, solid question. So what what I am pleased with is is we have had discussions internally like, know, we we we have said publicly that we wanna use our balance sheet after we demonstrate patterns of growth. I feel like we’re in that position now. We we are looking at different opportunities where we could acquire, you know, essentially different sort of customer bases.
You know, if there’s somebody out there who needs a self-service product and they’re great in a certain vertical, maybe that’s a play for us. We have seen some I was We have seen some technology come at us. We’re typically shy on unproven technology, but we have actually seen some technology come at us where they actually have a customer base and they have, you know, some accretive ability. And so we like that. And at least, you know, on the A little harder on the private company side, but on the public company side where we have seen some smaller opportunities, we have seen valuations changing and favorably for us.
So right now, you know, we it is a tool in our arsenal to grow this business. I think first and foremost, we we we win the street cred by growing the organic building a robust business and growing it organically. But, you know, we don’t want to be shy in this area. If we have opportunities where we can be accretive and grow the business and also layer on in key growth channels, for example, then that’s those are things we wanna execute on. And so we are out there in the market and and we are seeing you we are seeing interesting opportunities.
Daniel Rosenberg, Analyst, Paradigm Capital: Yeah. Let me pull that. Okay. Thank you for that. I’ll pass the line.
Steve, Moderator/Operator: Daniel, I don’t believe there are any other questions from the audience. This will conclude our presentation for this quarter. My thanks to Simon and Elliot and our analysts for and shareholders for joining us this morning. Please join us the next time as we present our Q2 twenty twenty five financial and operating results. Goodbye for now.
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